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Old 08-05-2009, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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P.S.: Do you support polygamy? How would you feel if you had a wife and she is married with four more men, for example?
Patricinha, you are very judgemental person, and already accusing me in something. It's very typical for your kind (mormon kind? religious kind?)

This is subject for different discussion. As I sad, I support everything which is voluntarily and do not hurt other family members.

Let's say that one guy have two wifes (of one woman have two husbands). If everybody ok with it inside of this marriage then why other people care? This is the point.

I personally don't matter. If somebody have two wifes or two hasbends and they are ok with this then I DO NOT CARE! Patricinha, do you UNDERSTAND THIS??? Or you judge everybody the same way as everybody judge Mormons?

Child abuse is different. When FLDS leaders make 12 y.o. girls "marry" (have sex) with 50 y.o. man which already have bunch of wifes, then this is not a voluntaraly marriage, this is sex slavery, and those women and children are not wifes, but sex slaves and being raped. This is different and I'm strictly against of that.

But if three (or more) adult people decided to marry each other voluntaraly then why would I against of it? I'm only glad that they are happy.
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Old 08-05-2009, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Fortaleza, CE Brazil
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Patricinha, you are very judgemental person, and already accusing me in something. It's very typical for your kind (mormon kind? religious kind?)

This is subject for different discussion. As I sad, I support everything which is voluntarily and do not hurt other family members.

Let's say that one guy have two wifes (of one woman have two husbands). If everybody ok with it inside of this marriage then why other people care? This is the point.

I personally don't matter. If somebody have two wifes or two hasbends and they are ok with this then I DO NOT CARE! Patricinha, do you UNDERSTAND THIS??? Or you judge everybody the same way as everybody judge Mormons?

Child abuse is different. When FLDS leaders make 12 y.o. girls "marry" (have sex) with 50 y.o. man which already have bunch of wifes, then this is not a voluntaraly marriage, this is sex slavery, and those women and children are not wifes, but sex slaves and being raped. This is different and I'm strictly against of that.

But if three (or more) adult people decided to marry each other voluntaraly then why would I against of it? I'm only glad that they are happy.

Sorry if you felt offended by the things of which I spoke, in my view. You that this is subjective to say that my opinion is quite typical of LDS people. Not so!
I understand what you said, ok? I understand your point of view! Okay.
Im so sorry.


You are a very critical things that talk, I like it. To be honest, you was the only person who came to any discussion with me about any subject, although much of shirk it.
When I asked about polygamy, I just want to know your opinion of how you would feel if you were in a relationship well, frankly, not wanted to be sarcastic, not offend their feelings or something.

Sorry again.
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Old 08-05-2009, 02:13 PM
 
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Patricinha, you are very judgemental person, and already accusing me in something. It's very typical for your kind (mormon kind? religious kind?)
Pot -- meet kettle.
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Old 08-05-2009, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Pot -- meet kettle.
And you like to watch?
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Old 08-05-2009, 02:47 PM
 
Location: vagabond
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And you like to watch?
watching pots and kettles? probably not. they don't really do anything worth watching.
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Old 08-05-2009, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Michigan--good on the rocks
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While I do agree that J. Smith was a scam artist, I think the possibility that Jesus visited the Americas after his resurrection does exist. At least, I cannot specifically rule it out.

Most of the objectionable aspects of the Mormon church as an organization were added and encouraged by Brigham Young, though, not Joseph Smith. For example, Smith was against polygamy; Young is the one who added it as a doctrine after he was able to wrest power within the church from Smith. Smith became an exile within his own religion after Young came to power and set himself up as king.

For all the suffering and persecution Mormons endured, though, they became pretty good at it themselves; hence my earlier link to the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Lots of non-Mormons mysteriously died or disappeared after entering the area under Mormon control.
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Old 08-05-2009, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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For example, Smith was against polygamy; Young is the one who added it as a doctrine after he was able to wrest power within the church from Smith.
This is very controversial. Basic story sounds like: Popular leader of the church started to have sex around. People didn't like it. So he got the "revelation about polygamy from God or Angels" and converted girlfriends (some of which was married) in own wifes.
Later when church leaders decided to protect church from anti-polygamist prosecutions they (another prophet) got another "revelation from God/Angels" or something..
Here we got split on LDS and FLDS because some people felt that something is very fishy..
Well hypocrisy is blooming like everywhere in the religious or political world.
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Old 08-05-2009, 05:49 PM
 
Location: OKC
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Christians are very good at telling other Christians they are not really Christians.
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Old 08-05-2009, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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When you speak accepting gays and lesbians, you speak that the Church is accepting these people into the religion?
And what is the Prop 8??
As far as I know, if you admit you're gay or lesbian and you're a Mormon, you're pretty much ex-communicated. I've heard of cases where they take your name off the Temple scrolls or something to that affect.

What I meant is that some individual Mormons are accepting but the religion as a whole is hostile to gays and lesbians.

Prop 8 is the name of a Proposition that was passed in California that banned the recognition of marriage between two people in the same sex in the state of California. The Mormon Church was the largest donor in FAVOR of prop 8/anti marriage equality for gay and lesbian couples.

Considering where I live, I don't know A LOT of Mormons compared to Evangelicals but there is a Mormon church less than 5 miles from my house.
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Old 08-05-2009, 09:02 PM
 
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As far as I know, if you admit you're gay or lesbian and you're a Mormon, you're pretty much ex-communicated. I've heard of cases where they take your name off the Temple scrolls or something to that affect.

What I meant is that some individual Mormons are accepting but the religion as a whole is hostile to gays and lesbians.

Prop 8 is the name of a Proposition that was passed in California that banned the recognition of marriage between two people in the same sex in the state of California. The Mormon Church was the largest donor in FAVOR of prop 8/anti marriage equality for gay and lesbian couples.

Considering where I live, I don't know A LOT of Mormons compared to Evangelicals but there is a Mormon church less than 5 miles from my house.
LDS official statement:
Same-Gender Attraction - LDS Newsroom
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