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Old 08-22-2009, 10:35 PM
 
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Hitler was a student of Darwin, but not of Luther.
And once again, Hitler had Darwin's works BURNED. Did you READ any of my previous post?

ONCE AGAIN, YOU FAIL!


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There is no comparison of Luther's writings and actions with Hitler's speeches and actions.
Oh really? Hmm let's see if that holds water....

British historian Paul Johnson has called 'On the Jews and their Lies' the "first work of modern anti-Semitism, and a giant step forward on the road to the Holocaust." (Johnson, A History of the Jews, p. 242.)


While some Lutherans deny the charge, the Nazis did cite Luther's treatise to justify the Final Solution (Egil Grislis, "Martin Luther and the Jews," Consensus 27 (2001) No. 1:64.).


The line of "anti-Semitic descent" from Luther to Hitler is "easy to draw," according to American historian Lucy Dawidowicz. In her "The War Against the Jews, 1933-1945", she writes that both Luther and Hitler were obsessed by the "demonologized universe" inhabited by Jews, with Hitler asserting that the later Luther, the author of On the Jews and Their Lies was the 'real Luther'.




Bernhard Rust served as Minister of Education in Nazi Germany. He wrote:

Since Martin Luther closed his eyes, no such son of our people has appeared again. It has been decided that we shall be the first to witness his reappearance.... I think the time is past when one may not say the names of Hitler and Luther in the same breath. They belong together; they are of the same old stamp [Schrot und Korn].


In Mein Kampf, Hitler listed Martin Luther as one of the greatest reformers. And similar to Luther in the 1500s, Hitler spoke against the Jews. The Nazi plan to create a German Reich Church laid its bases on the "Spirit of Dr. Martin Luther." The first physical violence against the Jews came on November 9-10 on Kristallnacht (Crystal Night) where the Nazis killed Jews, shattered glass windows, and destroyed hundreds of synagogues, just as Luther had proposed. In Daniel Johah Goldhagen's book, Hitler's Willing Executioners, he writes:

Although Luther did not invent anti-Jewishness, he promoted it to a level never before seen in Europe. Luther bore the influence of his upbringing and from anti-Jewish theologians such as Lyra, Burgensis, (and John Chrysostom, before them). But Luther's 1543 book, "On the Jews and their lies" took Jewish hatred to a new level when he proposed to set fire to their synagogues and schools, to take away their homes, forbad them to pray or teach, or even to utter God's name.

Luther wanted to "be rid of them" and requested that the government and ministers deal with the problem. He requested pastors and preachers to follow his example of issuing warnings against the Jews.

He goes so far as to claim that "We are at fault in not slaying them" for avenging the death of Jesus Christ. Hitler's Nazi government in the 1930s and 40s fit Luther's desires to a tee.


So vehemently did Luther speak against the Jews, and the fact that Luther represented an honorable and admired Christian to Protestants, that his written words carried the "memetic" seeds of anti-Jewishness up until the 20th century and into the Third Reich. Luther's Jewish eliminationist rhetoric virtually matches the beliefs held by Hitler and much of the German populace in the 1930s.

Few people today realize that Luther wrote 'On the Jews and Their Lies.' (He also wrote such works like "Against the Sabbatarians.") Freethinkers should become aware of the anti-Semitic influence that Luther has brought on the world. His vehement attack on Jews and his powerful influence on the believers of the Germans has brought a new hypothesis to mind: that the Jewish holocaust, and indeed, the eliminationist form of anti-Semitism in Nazi Germany may not have occurred without the influence from Luther's book "On the Jews and Their Lies."


So tell me dear yeshua, howz that new azzhole feel?


For more on Hitler's reverence for Martin Luther, see:
Martin Luther's dirty little book
Hitler and Martin Luther | The Rational Response Squad
http://ffrf.org/fttoday/1998/jan_feb98/cunningham.html (broken link)


This has been a public service announcement..

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Old 08-22-2009, 10:49 PM
 
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And once again, Hitler had Darwin's works BURNED. Did you READ any of my previous post?

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You fail to understand what Darwin wrote that began the modern racist doctrines. There have been tribal wars among human beings of the one human race since Abel and Cain, and then Babel and Nimrod. There have always been religious wars between tribal peoples from the beginnings of false religions, but Darwin introduced "racism", which Hitler did indeed believe.
Racism, meaning that human beings descended from apes and that only the "white" people are more advanced in their evolution, is the child of Darwin. Hitler believed that lie, taking it even further than Darwin.
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Old 08-22-2009, 10:50 PM
 
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A new skull discovery made in the African republice of Chad now has Bernard Wood, of George Washington University, Washingtone DC, now suggesting that this new discovery is giving strength to the arguement that humans (DID NOT EVOLVE IN A LINEAR PROGRESSION FROM APES THAT ROAMED THE PLANET 10 MILLION YEARS AGO.)

This same discovery, also has the Editor and paleontologist Henry Gee of Nature magazine saying, and this is a quote.

Whatever the outcome, the skull shows, once and for all, that the (OLD IDEA OF A MISSING LINK IS BUNK...) It should now be quite plain that the very idea of the missing link, always shaky, is now completely untenable.

The theory of Evolution is collapsing before our very eyes, and soon, those who have embraced this theory will be like soldiers on the field of battle. Only to discover, that their commanders and generals have left them alone on the front lines. And alone, they will try to defend a theory that is also untenable. Their old beliefs, and old ideas will be like so much watered downed ammunition. That ammunition gave them a feeling of safety, until is was revealed, that it was useless when needed.

News in Science - A heady discovery - 15/07/2002 (http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s605620.htm - broken link)
Where did you find the quote from Gee? His name (or the quote) is not mentioned in your link.
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Old 08-22-2009, 10:52 PM
 
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Darwin believed mankind descended from apes. The title page of Darwin's Descent of Man, from 1871, states this fact of Darwin's anti-God racist belief.
Darwin fostered Hitler's Nazi racism. Darwin is the founder of the doctrines of racism. Darwin's racist anti-God doctrines were followed by "freethinkers", and were the reason why an Australian native was brought to a zoo in the US, and caged in the zoo as a part ape-human, in the 1800's. The poor native Australian man committed suicide, and his blood is on Darwin's hands, and is on the hands of all who followed and promoted the anti-God racist, Darwin.


An 1871 review of Charles Darwin's Descent of Man

The ToE doesn't revolve around what Darwin said. It's been changed and revised multiple times since Darwin. The current theory doesn't say we came from apes. Based on the evidence, we came from a common ancestor. Also, have you ever read Mein Kamf. If you have then you know that nazism was fostered by religious fervor. Also, racism was around long before Darwin. Another problem in your nonsensical argument is that evolution isn't anti god. Evolution neither affirms nor denies the existence of some invisible wizard. Just because it doesn't say that your religious poppycock is true doesn't make it anti god. You lack a seriously frightening understanding of evolution and it would be wise if you read an actual scientific book on it. Some books are:
Darwin's ghost(Steve Jones)
The Ancestor's Tale(Richard Dawkins)
The Blind Watchmaker(Richard Dawkins)
The Selfish Gene(Richard Dawkins)
Darwin's ghost(Steve Jones)
Find Darwin's god(Ken Miller)
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Old 08-22-2009, 10:55 PM
 
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You fail to understand what Darwin wrote that began the modern racist doctrines. There have been tribal wars among human beings of the one human race since Abel and Cain, and then Babel and Nimrod. There have always been religious wars between tribal peoples from the beginnings of false religions, but Darwin introduced "racism", which Hitler did indeed believe.
Racism, meaning that human beings descended from apes and that only the "white" people are more advanced in their evolution, is the child of Darwin. Hitler believed that lie, taking it even further than Darwin.
Incorrect. Racism was around long before Darwin or evolution were ever heard of (see notes on Martin Luther, ABOVE). And AGAIN, The Nazis rejected darwinism and embraced a creationist and Biblical view of the races.

FAIL. Now please, S-T-F-U

You're wrong, MAN UP and get over it.
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Old 08-22-2009, 11:09 PM
 
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Incorrect. Racism was around long before Darwin or evolution were ever heard of (see notes on Martin Luther, ABOVE). And AGAIN, The Nazis rejected darwinism and embraced a creationist and Biblical view of the races.



You're wrong, MAN UP and get over it.
Hitler hated blacks because he believed they were not human. Hitler hated all "impure" races. His hatred was not because of religion, but because He did believe in evolution. His NAZI "scientists" were trying to "breed" a "pure" species of super humans for the bodies to be used for the demons to take over. Do you not know of Hitler's occultic beliefs, and the reason for the NAZI race to breed a superior body by experimentation for the demons to take over?






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Old 08-22-2009, 11:15 PM
 
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The ToE doesn't revolve around what Darwin said.
Darwin is the founder of modern evolutionist doctrine. Darwin was not an educated scientist, but a reprobate with a BA in Theology. And evolution is not a truth, but is a mystic composition of many peoples, who build on shifting sands which blow about with the winds. You just can't pin the foundation down to any one truth, as it is a fairy tale which changes with the telling.
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Old 08-22-2009, 11:16 PM
 
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but Darwin introduced "racism"
Why would pre-Origin of Species America and Great Britain have used black Africans as slaves if they didn't believe they were an inferior race? Heck, in the early 19th century, many Americans saw the Irish as an inferior race, too.
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Old 08-22-2009, 11:22 PM
 
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You fail to understand what Darwin wrote that began the modern racist doctrines.
Oh. When cornered, make sh.t up. Good work.

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There have been tribal wars among human beings of the one human race since Abel and Cain, and then Babel and Nimrod.
Not tribal wars. Systematic oppression due to race. Black slavery. Pogroms.

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Racism, meaning that human beings descended from apes and that only the "white" people are more advanced in their evolution, is the child of Darwin.
You're linking two completely unrelated concepts. The evidence points to man and apes to having a common ancestor, and that was (part of) Darwin's discovery. Deal.

That the white race was superior was the prevailing view of the day (at least among whites, and they'd placed themselves pretty well on top, so who was going to contradict them?). Darwin did not introduce that idea. In Darwin's age, it was considered common wisdom that black people could and should be property - that it was a divinely inspired institution.

Why don't you find us one Darwin quote that's 5% as virulently anti-semitic as Luther's ramblings?
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Old 08-22-2009, 11:29 PM
 
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You do realize that is referring to all animals, right? It's merely "Survival of the fittest" I'm not saying Darwin wasn't racist; most people were then. But to use that part of the title to show he was racist is a bit of a stretch.
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