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Old 08-24-2009, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Utah
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I believe in life after death, but not some heaven where we sit around all day and worship a childish God.
Me too.
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Old 08-24-2009, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Utah
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When the existence of something can't be proven (in this case an afterlife), then the most logical position is the negative (aka nonbelief). If you disagree, then you can't reject my claim that there are invisible pink elephants in my house.
My guess is that you assume that the only way to satisfactorily prove something to one's own mind is to use manufactured tools and the scientific method, or to accept that someone else did that and accurately reported the results.

Religious people tend to accept the duality of man (physical and spiritual being) and spiritual experiences as valid sources of discovery.
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Old 08-24-2009, 05:36 PM
 
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This might sound like an odd thing to say but I feel that I can actually sense that my consciousness is inside my brain as I sit here typing. When you stop and think about it our brains are constantly being bombarded with information from our senses which is being processed by our brains and we obviously react to what our senses are telling us. I can't imagine any other place where my consciousness could be to tell you the truth.
When you make the effort to understand who or what the "we" or "I" that is doing all this interpreting of the sensory inputs, etc. IS . . . you might be well on your way to a wider world.
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Old 08-24-2009, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Nashville, Tn
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When you make the effort to understand who or what the "we" or "I" that is doing all this interpreting of the sensory inputs, etc. IS . . . you might be well on your way to a wider world.
Hi, I haven't seen many of your posts lately but I always find them interesting. Let me put it this way, every fiber of my being tells me that I'm a single individual and not part of a larger pool of individuals in which the word "we" might be a more accurate description of human existence. I strongly believe that consciousness is purely a biological function which I'm sure you have read in my posts many times. I can't conceive of any process in nature that might somehow merge my personal consciousness with any other human being or any conscious entity. That's just my point of view and it would take a mountain of evidence to change it.
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Old 08-24-2009, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Utah
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I've actually experienced what I would consider post-death consciousness, but it was chemically induced.
Drugs can kill you.
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Old 08-24-2009, 06:07 PM
 
Location: An absurd world.
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Drugs can kill you.
If you overdo them, yes. In reality, most are no more harmful/harmless than prescription drugs at regulated doses.
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Old 08-24-2009, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Utah
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Sleep through all your science classes?
Took Geology101 as my one compulsory hard science.

Human learning and memory was interesting though.
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Old 08-24-2009, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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Athiests can have faith, or convictions about nature, and humanity. If consciousness transcends physical death, athiests have the same situation as any of us, God or no god. I believe that Nature waste's nothing. God, to me is the ultimate creator, collector, and recycler.
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Old 08-25-2009, 12:10 AM
 
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My guess is that you assume that the only way to satisfactorily prove something to one's own mind is to use manufactured tools and the scientific method, or to accept that someone else did that and accurately reported the results.

Religious people tend to accept the duality of man (physical and spiritual being) and spiritual experiences as valid sources of discovery.
Well we challenge the notion that these experiences are valid or reliable sources of truth.
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Old 08-25-2009, 02:42 AM
 
Location: Earth
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My guess is that you assume that the only way to satisfactorily prove something to one's own mind is to use manufactured tools and the scientific method, or to accept that someone else did that and accurately reported the results.

Religious people tend to accept the duality of man (physical and spiritual being) and spiritual experiences as valid sources of discovery.
Okay, now I'm officially one with you.
Religious people who believe in green elves and gods in their heavens is so much more accurate than the scientific method.
The absurdity of your post has officially done me in.
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