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1. You mean like how everyone thought that drought was caused by angry gods or the idea that everything was poofed into existence at once not too long ago? Yeah all those ideas were forever rejected.
2. No, I contend that you are just looking for an excuse to believe in these myths. This isn't about science but rather about people who suddenly decide to abandon reason just because they would rather feel good about themselves than to look at things objectively
3. You "stand back" and see an elephant
Someone else "stands back" and sees a cow
Another person "stands back" and sees 3 whales
This is because these "methods" aren't about finding out what's true and what's not. It's about believing in the myths people like best which is different for everyone.
4. In the end we have people who claim different things, people who say everyone else is wrong and people who spend their lives trying to explain or ignore this instead of doing the reasonable thing.
1. I guess I'm not keeping up with science trends lately. Has the "Big Bang" where everything was "poofed into existence" now gone to the trash heap of even more modern science, or am I misunderstanding you?
2. I suppose you could also classify earlier scientific discoveries that were once thought to be true but have since been proven wrong as "myths". Humans tend to learn line upon line, each new discovery and invention building upon or launched from another. Nobody invented the 2009 Cadillac STS, it's a culmination of thousands of other discoveries/inventions.
3. Believe it or not, some of those people actually see the elephant! Some others choose instead to see turtles.
4. The "reasonable thing" being of course to keep one's mind open, to have tolerance for the beliefs of others, to individually adapt as best one can to an ever-changing world, and to be prepared for the inevitability of one's dying.
You keep saying things like this as if everyone agrees. The whole point is that many people don't. So what sort of test can we propose to figure out who is right? You wouldn't take the well-thought out "is not" argument as convincing; why would you expect anyone to take your "is too" assertion any differently?
I think that one is above my pay grade. I'm just content to know God and Jesus Christ whom He has sent as best I can with my mortal limitations and within the carnal nature of my physical circumstances. I look forward to a time when my awareness will not be so clouded and filtered and I will be allowed to remember fully where I came from and what I did before my spirit body arrived on this planet for its essential mortal experience and the making of choices as prelude to an eternity of learning and interacting with God and His children.
1. I guess I'm not keeping up with science trends lately. Has the "Big Bang" where everything was "poofed into existence" now gone to the trash heap of even more modern science, or am I misunderstanding you?
The only people that say the universe came from nothing are the religious....Science doesn't say that.
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2. I suppose you could also classify earlier scientific discoveries that were once thought to be true but have since been proven wrong as "myths". Humans tend to learn line upon line, each new discovery and invention building upon or launched from another. Nobody invented the 2009 Cadillac STS, it's a culmination of thousands of other discoveries/inventions.
That's how science works...It is more about attempting to disprove something than proving it. When something is proven wrong, it is accepted as wrong, and science moves on. When is the last time a person of religion has accepted errors in their holy books?
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3. Believe it or not, some of those people actually see the elephant! Some others choose instead to see turtles.
Where are the turtles?...I don't see 'em.
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4. The "reasonable thing" being of course to keep one's mind open, to have tolerance for the beliefs of others, to individually adapt as best one can to an ever-changing world, and to be prepared for the inevitability of one's dying.
This I agree with as long as the beliefs of others do not trample on anybody's rights or freedoms.
1. I guess I'm not keeping up with science trends lately. Has the "Big Bang" where everything was "poofed into existence" now gone to the trash heap of even more modern science, or am I misunderstanding you?
Actually it's less misunderstanding me and more like spitting on the face of science.
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2. I suppose you could also classify earlier scientific discoveries that were once thought to be true but have since been proven wrong as "myths". Humans tend to learn line upon line, each new discovery and invention building upon or launched from another. Nobody invented the 2009 Cadillac STS, it's a culmination of thousands of other discoveries/inventions.
That's what science is all about. So what?
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3. Believe it or not, some of those people actually see the elephant! Some others choose instead to see turtles.
And of course the reason this happens is because both the elephant and the turtle are made up. If no one can agree on these basic things then why do you think splashing the word "choose" everywhere will change things?
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4. The "reasonable thing" being of course to keep one's mind open, to have tolerance for the beliefs of others, to individually adapt as best one can to an ever-changing world, and to be prepared for the inevitability of one's dying.
I agree and having an open mind doesn't mean I have to take your word on things and ignore all others. Blind faith just gets people killed.
The only people that say the universe came from nothing are the religious....Science doesn't say that.
That's how science works...It is more about attempting to disprove something than proving it. When something is proven wrong, it is accepted as wrong, and science moves on. When is the last time a person of religion has accepted errors in their holy books?
Where are the turtles?...I don't see 'em.
This I agree with as long as the beliefs of others do not trample on anybody's rights or freedoms.
Personally I do not think that the universe came from nothing. I think that there exists and always has existed formless matter/substance/energy/intelligence call it what you will from which God organizes everything, including His spirit children.
Actually I think that many people of religion accept that there are errors in the books of the Bible, I for one certainly do. There is a very long string of fallible human minds and fingers behind each copy of the bible we have in our homes today.
I noticed a news story last week about a new bible translation about to be released. There was controversy because those who prepared it were attempting to make those ancient books politically or more specifically gender 'correct'.
You probably can't see the turtles because they tend to hide behind the pink elephants and they're known to be quite bashful. I just threw that one in because this is also a philosophy board, couldn't resist.
It's not only religious beliefs that are used as justification for trampling on the rights of others. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" and "turn the other cheek" are teachings of Jesus Christ that if applied diligently worldwide would help make this world a much saner and happier place in which to dwell.
4. The "reasonable thing" being of course to keep one's mind open, to have tolerance for the beliefs of others, to individually adapt as best one can to an ever-changing world, and to be prepared for the inevitability of one's dying.
I guess this exclude the gays folk in CA who believe it is their right to marry the one they love?
You mormons cannot make bland statements like this and expect to get away with it.
I guess this exclude the gays folk in CA who believe it is their right to marry the one they love? You mormons cannot make bland statements like this and expect to get away with it.
Your comments are way off topic but by way of a quick response that hopefully doesn't open a can of worms that should wriggle around in their own thread, it is my understanding that people in California who choose to have sexual relations with those of the same gender can live with whoever they want to live with. Polygamists marry several partners at the same time. I suppose homosexuals could also marry in the same fashion if that's what they really want to do.
I think that one is above my pay grade. I'm just content to know God and Jesus Christ whom He has sent as best I can with my mortal limitations and within the carnal nature of my physical circumstances. I look forward to a time when my awareness will not be so clouded and filtered and I will be allowed to remember fully where I came from and what I did before my spirit body arrived on this planet for its essential mortal experience and the making of choices as prelude to an eternity of learning and interacting with God and His children.
It sounds like you have no reason or logic for believing in spirits or the afterlife, only wishing it were true because it lines up with your hopes for eternal life and a planet of your own when you die. Since there's no reason to believe it, I guess it doesn't take faith to ignore the supernatural after all. With no reason to worry about it, the only reasonable thing to do is ignore it like everything else that's totally unobserved and unexplained. There's no faith involved in this decision, which is what we've been saying all along.
It sounds like you have no reason or logic for believing in spirits or the afterlife, only wishing it were true because it lines up with your hopes for eternal life and a planet of your own when you die. Since there's no reason to believe it, I guess it doesn't take faith to ignore the supernatural after all. With no reason to worry about it, the only reasonable thing to do is ignore it like everything else that's totally unobserved and unexplained. There's no faith involved in this decision, which is what we've been saying all along.
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I just threw that one in because this is also a philosophy board, couldn't resist.
