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Old 08-30-2009, 08:50 PM
 
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Well, we know the Jews erred, because the Old Testement prophecy said they would. And the Old Testament tells us that God would scatter the Jewish people throught out the nations, because they have sinned against the Lord. And the Bible also tells us, that near the end of time, the Jewish people would return to the land of Israel. Now, many in the church believe this prophecy today, yet many of the more liberal denminations ignore the prophecy. .
There is not one single Rabbi who remotely agrees with this misreading of the Torah.
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Old 08-31-2009, 03:01 AM
 
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There is not one single Rabbi who remotely agrees with this misreading of the Torah.
You are not correct. Read the Dead Sea Scrolls and see that the Scriptural teachings referenced by Cambell34 were believed by the Essenes.
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Old 08-31-2009, 03:09 AM
 
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If you know anything about the Bible, you will understand that the Book of Revelation contains limited prophecis. And without the other prophecies found in the Scriptures, the Book of Revealtion lacks the critical details needed to understand it's passages. God put the prophecies that speak about our future in both the Old and New Testaments. And it requires both Testaments to see the whole picture.
One cannot understand the Reveltion of Jesus as given to John until one has become familiar with the revelations given to Enoch. The two books -1 Enoch and Revelation- are the beginning and the ending revelations of God's plan for earth, in the complete removal of all that offends from the earth and the Messianic kingdom set up and then, the regeneration of the heavens and the earth.
The two books are complimentary and 1 Enoch gives understanding of Revelation that is impossible to have without it -Rome banned it, but the Ethiopian Orthodox Church never did, and there it was kept as canon in their Bible for these near two thousand years, and copies were brought back from there in the late 1700's, to England, and translated to English in the early 1800's for these last of the last days before the Sabbath Millennium for earth begins.
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Old 08-31-2009, 04:57 AM
 
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If the Bible had been clearly written in a manner that could be understood by anyone who read it then we wouldn't have countless interpretations of what various passages mean. I truly believe that the Bible is one of the most poorly written books I've ever read for the simple reason that it is for the most part completely incomprehensible. I also think that one of the major reasons that the Christian faith has split into such a large number of sects and denominations is because Christians have been arguing among themselves about what it actually says and when like minded Christians became forceful about a particular issue they just formed another branch of Christianity.
I think every Christian would agree that the Bible is the most important book that was ever written and they would also agree that it's the inspired word of God which was given to mankind. So I have a simple question. If God is in fact the real author of the Bible and he inspired various men to write it down then why did he do such a poor job? There is controversy about the real meaning of virtually every book in the Bible. That controversy would not exist if every detail was written so clearly that that the meaning of every single passage could only be interpreted in one way. Why should that be so difficult? Afterall this is God we're talking about who never makes mistakes. Any thoughts?
Us Christian do not have a problem with what the bible says. The bible is clear. However, there are different practices in different Churches based on the theology determined from what the scriptures teach. So, the issues you see are not our confusion of understanding what the text says, but how to translate this to practices in the Church. For example should we sprinkle with water when we baptise or immerse in water. Should we tithe ten percent of our gross erning or our net ernings. etc, etc... So, we are clear that Abraham tithed ten persent to Melchisidek, but are we to tithe ten persent of our paycheck each Sunday. Do you understand? The bible is clear, but how to apply this to our lives is not always black and white. When it comes to major issues like salvation, it is clear and there is no question. For it says "there is no other name (then Jesus) given under heaven whereby we must be saved". The problem with Christians is that we are still just people and we tend to have issue with the small things like tithing or which colour to paint the Church building and would prefer to split a church over it then agree.
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Old 08-31-2009, 07:22 AM
 
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There is not one single Rabbi who remotely agrees with this misreading of the Torah.
And that is why the God of the Old Testament said the Jewish People polluted His name where ever they went.

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Old 08-31-2009, 07:33 AM
 
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One cannot understand the Reveltion of Jesus as given to John until one has become familiar with the revelations given to Enoch. The two books -1 Enoch and Revelation- are the beginning and the ending revelations of God's plan for earth, in the complete removal of all that offends from the earth and the Messianic kingdom set up and then, the regeneration of the heavens and the earth.
The two books are complimentary and 1 Enoch gives understanding of Revelation that is impossible to have without it -Rome banned it, but the Ethiopian Orthodox Church never did, and there it was kept as canon in their Bible for these near two thousand years, and copies were brought back from there in the late 1700's, to England, and translated to English in the early 1800's for these last of the last days before the Sabbath Millennium for earth begins.
I believe our existing Bible has enought information to guide Christians in their understanding of future events. Yet, what revelation found in the Book of Enoch do you believe could add to our present understanding?

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Old 08-31-2009, 03:45 PM
 
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You are not correct. Read the Dead Sea Scrolls and see that the Scriptural teachings referenced by Cambell34 were believed by the Essenes.
Not one single Rabbi beleives that Jesus was (or less: is) the messiah. Not one beleives that the prophesies point to Jesus.

You can argue that all you want--but fankly it is silly. Just like it is silly for a bunch of people to gather together a bunch of Mithra, Ra, and Vedic myths then announce that the Rabinnical scholars are wrong about their own religion.
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Old 08-31-2009, 03:46 PM
 
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And that is why the God of the Old Testament said the Jewish People polluted His name where ever they went.
What is your citation?
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Old 08-31-2009, 09:57 PM
 
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What is your citation?
dcashley, we are starting to get off topic here, yet for your information, it is Ezekiel 36:20. This thread, is about why Christians have such different Interpretations of the Bible. If you want to continue, feel free to open a new thread on the prophecy of Ezekiel. I would be more then happy to answer any questions you may have.
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Old 08-31-2009, 09:59 PM
 
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Which Bible are we talking about here? Among Christians there is disagreement about which texts are included in the Scriptures.
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