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No one goes to heaven or a burning "hell" after death. When we die we are unconscious until the RESURRECTION! The Bible says the dead knows nothing, even their thoughts perished when they die. (Ecc.9:5). In the future there will be a resurrection of all people to face God on Judgment Day! Where is their common sense when people believe in the myth of an immediate reward or punishment even before judgment?
If that's true (see bolded), then what did Jesus mean in this passage?
Luke 23
39One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: "Aren't you the Christ? Save yourself and us!" 40But the other criminal rebuked him. "Don't you fear God," he said, "since you are under the same sentence? 41We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong." 42Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom." 43Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."
If that's true (see bolded), then what did Jesus mean in this passage?
Luke 23
39One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: "Aren't you the Christ? Save yourself and us!" 40But the other criminal rebuked him. "Don't you fear God," he said, "since you are under the same sentence? 41We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong." 42Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom." 43Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."
He didn't say anything about a burning hell now did he? He also didn't tell the other guy he wasn't going to heaven either did he?
He didn't say anything about a burning hell now did he? He also didn't tell the other guy he wasn't going to heaven either did he?
In this case, I was responding to the assertion that Heaven is not immediate. I've already expressed my opinion on whether Hell is immediate on page 1.
Are you referring to the other criminal? In that case, it seems reasonable to assume he would not be in the presence of Christ after death. He was hurling insults at Jesus. Sounds like a rejection of Christ to me.
I believe what Jesus taught is the way to heaven within. I don't believe He had to die in order for us to know that way. There are highly advanced individuals who have found Heaven within who don't worship Jesus. They can do the same things and much more than Jesus did. They don't adhere to any religion and they found the path without Jesus. What I am being taught is that the way to heaven is through Divine Love, in which all of the advance souls on earth have and have prayed for. I have found this to be true as I have experienced this Love on several occasions.
This sounds nice, but it couldn't be further from the truth. The fact is, we are all sinners. God is Holy & cannot tolerate sin. God has always required a blood sacrifice for the remission of sins. Jesus was the ultimate & final blood sacrifice for our sins. One must repent & come to Jesus by faith. Then & only then can we be reconciled to God & gain eternal life.
Hell, is darkness. Hell is loneliness in that darkness. Imagine being locked up in a room with no lights, forever, torment, forever in darkness. The soul burns in madness. forever. not a good thing is it now?
In this case, I was responding to the assertion that Heaven is not immediate. I've already expressed my opinion on whether Hell is immediate on page 1.
Are you referring to the other criminal? In that case, it seems reasonable to assume he would not be in the presence of Christ after death. He was hurling insults at Jesus. Sounds like a rejection of Christ to me.
You know what they say about assumptions, they are the mother of all F**k ups.
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