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Old 11-24-2014, 04:20 PM
 
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I wish we could read all the stories and books that were written. We unfortunately have to read what others thought we should.

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Old 11-24-2014, 04:31 PM
 
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My guess is that one of John's disciples climbed onto a bedbug-infested Sealy at a wayside hotel, commanded the bedbugs to be gone, woke up the next morning covered in welts and uttered "A pox on this story." Then it got deleted.

Like any new mythology it was a question of what would fly and what wouldn't. The bedbugs story obviously did not fly, simply because it was too easy for pagans to test to see if it worked.

Very practical, these early church fathers.
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Old 11-24-2014, 04:44 PM
 
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They left out all the antics of the five year old Jesus recorded in The Infancy Gospel of Thomas.

Like:

Jesus makes bird figures out of clay on the Sabbath. It's a no-no to perform work on the Sabbath so when he gets caught he makes the birds come to life and fly way. What birds?

When a kid messes with Jesus as he is playing, Jesus withers him.

Jesus kills a kid who bumped into him. When his father finds out, Jesus blinds all the witnesses. Joseph wrings his ear.

Jesus later cures everybody.

When he gets a little older is growing up, Jesus loses his bad boy attitude and becomes more well behaved. Among other things he multiplies a small amount of wheat a hundredfold to feed the poor in his town.

This might make a good TV series. Growing Up Jesus
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Old 11-24-2014, 04:49 PM
 
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I watched a movie once about Jesus and they did have some of the bad things young mischievous Jesus did in that movie. I wish I could remember the title of it.

I have always been interested in the "magic" that was left out of the Bible. There are a few things, like Joseph practicing divination, and some spells that are mentioned, but I think they took a lot of those things out and that's too bad.
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Old 11-24-2014, 06:31 PM
 
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They left out all the antics of the five year old Jesus recorded in The Infancy Gospel of Thomas.

Like:

Jesus makes bird figures out of clay on the Sabbath. It's a no-no to perform work on the Sabbath so when he gets caught he makes the birds come to life and fly way. What birds?

When a kid messes with Jesus as he is playing, Jesus withers him.

Jesus kills a kid who bumped into him. When his father finds out, Jesus blinds all the witnesses. Joseph wrings his ear.

Jesus later cures everybody.

When he gets a little older is growing up, Jesus loses his bad boy attitude and becomes more well behaved. Among other things he multiplies a small amount of wheat a hundredfold to feed the poor in his town.

This might make a good TV series. Growing Up Jesus
Who came up with that stuff??? It makes you wonder what would spurn someone to write something like that, which I believe is fiction? Did they have a motive?
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Old 11-24-2014, 06:39 PM
 
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Who came up with that stuff??? It makes you wonder what would spurn someone to write something like that, which I believe is fiction? Did they have a motive?
Why so many King Kong movies, some of them really far out compared to the original? Because there is an audience for them.
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Old 11-24-2014, 07:01 PM
 
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Who came up with that stuff??? It makes you wonder what would spurn someone to write something like that, which I believe is fiction? Did they have a motive?
When a culture values strength above justice, it is easy to come up with such myths.
It's not the miraculous part that bugs me so much, it's the worship of divinity because he is all MIGHTY.
This is the same line of thinking as in the Old Testament where God smites tribesmen left and right, and performs genocide now celebrated as Passover.
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Old 11-24-2014, 09:16 PM
 
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They left out all the antics of the five year old Jesus recorded in The Infancy Gospel of Thomas.

Like:

Jesus makes bird figures out of clay on the Sabbath. It's a no-no to perform work on the Sabbath so when he gets caught he makes the birds come to life and fly way. What birds?

When a kid messes with Jesus as he is playing, Jesus withers him.

Jesus kills a kid who bumped into him. When his father finds out, Jesus blinds all the witnesses. Joseph wrings his ear.

Jesus later cures everybody.

When he gets a little older is growing up, Jesus loses his bad boy attitude and becomes more well behaved. Among other things he multiplies a small amount of wheat a hundredfold to feed the poor in his town.

This might make a good TV series. Growing Up Jesus
It is quite interesting how diverse and disorganized Christianity was in the 1st and 2nd centuries. There were all sorts of things written purporting to be sacred writings. Of the countless sub-sects within Christianity, the group that would one day become the Catholic Church won out. The Emperor banned all other forms of Christianity. Other groups were obliged to convert to the officially sanctioned Roman Christian Church or die. There were also undoubtedly many folks who were just out to mock, defame or confuse everyone about the new religion.

Many these works like the Gospel of Thomas, the small fragment of the Gospel of Peter, the Nag Hammadi library of Gnostic works, etc are modern archaeology at work. Some like the Gospel of Peter and most of the Nag Hammadi library were most likely the sacred texts that did not survive because the sect endorsing them did not survive. But does that invalidate them? We've discovered a what it no doubt only a tiny fraction of the written works of the many "heretical" sects of the time. The trouble is, we lack any surviving believers in those traditions to help us put their works into context.

Many of those works seem to be creative and fanciful retelling of events, much like Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter. The Gospel of Thomas has always struck me as exactly that sort of thing. The writer his readers of the day all likely knew it was mostly or completely made up fiction. Some other events like John and the bedbugs were probably nifty sounding urban myths that somebody completely made up on the spot. Somebody else was was gullible enough to write down and pass them along.

The work of validating and canonizing scripture was made insanely difficult because there were so many writings that claimed to be real that absolutely weren't. The National Inquirer today isn't doing anything that has been done for most of human history.
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Old 11-24-2014, 09:23 PM
 
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Pure claptrap, all of it.

Really, there is a good reason why so many of these idiotic books were excluded from the canon.
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Old 11-24-2014, 09:33 PM
 
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Pure claptrap, all of it.

Really, there is a good reason why so many of these idiotic books were excluded from the canon.
What makes Jesus walking on water less idiotic though? What makes the story of Herod ordering the killing of all the male newborns more true than the other things that did not make it into the Bible?
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