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Old 09-11-2009, 02:42 AM
 
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Trees of Paradise

All plants, trees and fruits have spirits; just as how man has a spirit (which is called the human soul) and animals have spirits.

And if a tree of 'the present World' is cut and is dead, then its spirit will not die, but will remain alive for ever, and it will be fresh, having a lot of branches full of fruits; its leaves won't fall and its fruits will not be depleted; it won't need manure or water; no coldness can cause its death, nor can any disease do that.

These ethereal trees will go to the ether world, and in fact such ethereal trees are two kinds: good and bad.

The good tree is every tree having good fruit like the apple tree and the date palm, or having nice smell, like the flowery trees and aromatic plants;

While bad trees are those having thorns, but have no fruit that can be eaten, and have a foul smell and do not provide a shade to any one who sits under them, in addition to the thorn that they contain.

FIRST:
Good trees
Every good tree, after it dies and its spirit separates from its material body, then its spirit will be taken by the angels to the heaven to be one of the Paradise trees.

So that the dwellers of Paradise will have pleasure with it, eat of its fruits, sit in its shadow and be delighted with its view.

God - be exalted - said in the Quran 14: 24-25
أَلَمْ تَرَ كَيْفَ ضَرَبَ اللّهُ مَثَلاً كَلِمَةً طَيِّبَةً كَشَجَرةٍ طَيِّبَةٍ أَصْلُهَا ثَابِتٌ وَفَرْعُهَا فِي السَّمَاء . تُؤْتِي أُكُلَهَا كُلَّ حِينٍ بِإِذْنِ رَبِّهَا وَيَضْرِبُ اللّهُ الأَمْثَالَ لِلنَّاسِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَذَكَّرُونَ .

The explanation:
(Don't you [man] see how God propounds a parable? a goodly tree: its derivation is permanent [on earth], and its derivatives are [taken] into heaven,
Giving its fruit at all times with its Lord's leave.

God surely propounds parables to people that they may receive admonition.)

The interpretation:
(its derivation is permanent [on earth] ) means: its origin [or kind] is remaining on earth. He means by that the material tree; for it is remaining on earth, and many trees branch or stem from it; that is by seeding, pruning or trimming.
(and its derivatives are [taken] into heaven) means: What ethereal trees branch or stem from it, will go to heaven and become some of the Paradise trees.
(Giving its fruit at all times) means: The good ethereal trees give you the fruit, always, and it hasn't any limited [season] time like the trees in the life of the World, which give their fruit only at spring time. The word أُكُلَهَا i.e. (its fruit) means: its eaten part, which is the fruit,

The length and size of the ethereal tree is according to how much it lived in the Worldly life. So as much as it lives, the ethereal tree will be longer, bigger and have more branches and fruits.

Example:
If a palm-tree in this material World gives its fruit five times in five years, then the ethereal palm-tree will have five rows of date-bunches;

But when it gives its fruit ten times, then the ethereal palm-tree [issuing from the material palm-tree] will have ten rows of date-bunches.

And so on: as much as the material palm-tree lives in the life of the World, [the ethereal one will have as much dates accordingly].

So if you go to the ether world, you will see that ethereal date-palm full of dates: from its lower part to its high part;

Ethereal trees will not have any new fruits like our trees in the life of the World, but only they bear their old fruits which they had borne in the life of the World, and those fruits will remain there: neither do they putrefy, nor do they deplete or finish for ever.

Man after Death
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Old 09-11-2009, 02:47 AM
 
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SECOND:
Bad trees:
Such trees remain on the earth, and the angels do not raise their spirits to the heaven;

So that if the wind blows here they will be uprooted or taken off from their insertions, and will be pushed to where the wind moves, and will be destroyed and fall on the ground carried with the winds from place to place, having no rest.

Then you may see a branch here and a branch there; and you see a tree behind this wall and another behind that curtain, while another one might be between the mountains, which keep them from the winds.

God - be exalted - said in the Quran 14: 26
وَمَثلُ كَلِمَةٍ خَبِيثَةٍ كَشَجَرَةٍ خَبِيثَةٍ اجْتُثَّتْ مِن فَوْقِ الأَرْضِ مَا لَهَا مِن قَرَارٍ

The explanation:
(And the parable of an evil word is that of an evil tree, which is uprooted from above the earth, having no stability.)

The interpretation:
(which is uprooted from above the earth) means: It is uprooted; because the wind uproot them from their insertion; and they are the ethereal bad trees;
(having no stability) means: It goes from one place to another; because the winds carry and cast it in the depressions and between the mountains.

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Old 09-11-2009, 04:55 AM
 
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"see how God propounds a parable?" quoting eanassir.


I suspect man created the parable in order to confound his fellow man (another way of saying "sellin' snake oil"), mythological beasties do not propound anything .
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Old 09-11-2009, 06:48 AM
 
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Parables in the Quran

God says the parables to people in order to let them understand the subject in a better way.

Therefore, Prophet Jesus spoke many parables to people; in fact most of his teachings were in the form of parables. And the Gospel is full of a large number of parables.

In addition, there is the Book of Proverbs of Solomon, which is full parables.

In fact God - be glorified - said a large number of parables in the Glorious Quran to explain many subjects, in particular the monotheism and the devotion to God alone: because the parable is an excellent way of making the subject comprehensible to man.

Example: God gave a parable about the Glorious Quran and its seriousness and its high rank as the word of God, in the aya 59: 21
لَوْ أَنزَلْنَا هَذَا الْقُرْآنَ عَلَى جَبَلٍ لَّرَأَيْتَهُ خَاشِعًا مُّتَصَدِّعًا مِّنْ خَشْيَةِ اللَّهِ وَتِلْكَ الْأَمْثَالُ نَضْرِبُهَا لِلنَّاسِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ

The explanation:
(Had We sent down this Quran on a [rocky] mountain, surely you would have seen it humble itself and cleave asunder for fear of God,

[but the hearts of these Jews are harder than rocks, so they do not believe.]

Such are the parables which We propound to men that they may reflect.)

http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com
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Old 09-11-2009, 07:28 AM
 
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"see how God propounds a parable?" quoting eanassir.

I suspect man created the parable in order to confound his fellow man (another way of saying "sellin' snake oil"), mythological beasties do not propound anything .

About the parables in the Quran

When God gave the parables telling about some small animals and insects like flies and the spider and the elephant etc; some of narrow-minded people said:

how can it be that God say parables with telling about such insects and animals; therefore this Quran is not from God according to their words; so God revealed this aya 2: 26
إِنَّ اللَّهَ لاَ يَسْتَحْيِي أَن يَضْرِبَ مَثَلاً مَّا بَعُوضَةً فَمَا فَوْقَهَا فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ فَيَعْلَمُونَ أَنَّهُ الْحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّهِمْ وَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ فَيَقُولُونَ مَاذَا أَرَادَ اللَّهُ بِهَذَا مَثَلاً يُضِلُّ بِهِ كَثِيراً وَيَهْدِي بِهِ كَثِيراً وَمَا يُضِلُّ بِهِ إِلاَّ الْفَاسِقِينَ

The explanation:
(Surely God is not ashamed to give an example [: a parable], whatsoever even of a gnat and anything superior to it.

[Because you yourselves and these insects are among His created beings]

As for those who believe, they know that it is the truth from their Lord;

but as for those who disbelieve, they say: 'What is it that God means by this as an example [: a parable]?

He misleads many thereby [by the ambiguous ayat] and thereby [: by the plain ayat] guides many;

He misleads only evildoers thereby [because they deserve such misguidance.] )


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Old 09-11-2009, 08:16 AM
 
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So muslims are now practicing gaia worship or naturalism? Wow.

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Old 09-11-2009, 08:56 AM
 
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Last I checked, not all trees provided fruit. Do locust trees start growing apples or something when they are in heaven?
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Old 09-11-2009, 01:26 PM
 
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Um...
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Old 09-11-2009, 02:04 PM
 
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Last I checked, not all trees provided fruit. Do locust trees start growing apples or something when they are in heaven?

Not all trees are good trees that will be taken up to heaven. See the second post in this thread with title: Bad trees.

Moreover, each tree will have its spirit: the ethereal copy of the material tree and identical with it. The apple tree will be an apple tree, the date palm will be a date palm ...etc.

But the difference is that the ethereal tree will last forever and will not die, and its fruit will last forever.

In addition, the ethereal tree will bear all the fruits that the material tree bore during its material life; and similarly its leaves will be all its leaves during its material life.

Another point is that the ethereal tree will not grow any new fruits other than the fruits that it bore during its material life in the World.

See the first post or the original post of this thread.

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Old 09-11-2009, 03:27 PM
 
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When God gave the parables telling about some small animals and insects like flies and the spider and the elephant etc; some of narrow-minded people said:

Ah Yes, a mythological god thingy going buggy with parables, what a surprise! But, I've felt it is one of the genuine miracles of christerisms that the preachers can get ANYONE to actually believe this stuff.
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