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Old 05-30-2007, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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Gizmo I don't think that religious = only Christian. I think anyone committed to a faith would exhibit the morals taught within that faith. But I also think morals are governed by society and modeled by parents and other positive examples, so it is not exclusive to faith either. But then again I am also the one that routinely argues with my fundementalist in-laws the my Pagan, Jewish, Muslim and Hindi friends will be in heaven with me. See you there.
LOL... let's have a party when we meet up there. I do think you're in the minority, since most of the people I've encountered here (and in real life) DO equate religious with Christian. I understand why, since that's what most of our religious folks are in the US, but it's certainly not the only religion! Not to mention, we live in a big world, which is filled with people of all faiths & non-faiths alike. Also, it feels like even those who acknowledge other religions are somewhat self-righteous about Christianity, like many posters on this particular thread. Anyway, y'all have fun here, and maybe I'll see you on the other forums!

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Old 05-30-2007, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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But by that reasoning, Gandhi and Martin Luther King should have shut up and gone home. I don't buy that.
Gandhi sought to free India from British rule, not to convert the British to the Hindu religion or to adapt the beliefs of India. Martin Luther King struggled to gain acceptance of blacks as equal citizens to whites. The South, where he organized many activists was already Christian. Are you trying to say that he wanted to convert Christians to Christianity?
The South, The hardcore Bible Belt, adamantly wanted to maintain their segregationist policies regardless of what Washington, DC said. President Kennedy had to send in federal troops to escort black students to schools. In the archives of the American press you should be able to find many photos of whites taunting the blacks. The taunting was mild compared to the stone throwing, the beatings, and the lynchings. None of these actions were about religion or religious conversion.
That sure has something to say about the "Christian" South.
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Old 05-31-2007, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Maine
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Gandhi sought to free India from British rule, not to convert the British to the Hindu religion or to adapt the beliefs of India. Martin Luther King struggled to gain acceptance of blacks as equal citizens to whites. The South, where he organized many activists was already Christian. Are you trying to say that he wanted to convert Christians to Christianity?
No, I am saying that both Gandhi and MLK were inspired by their faith, that it was their faith that drove them to change the world. MLK's best speeches were filled with Biblical imagery.
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Old 05-31-2007, 10:15 AM
 
Location: ARK-KIN-SAW
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Gandhi sought to free India from British rule, not to convert the British to the Hindu religion or to adapt the beliefs of India. Martin Luther King struggled to gain acceptance of blacks as equal citizens to whites. The South, where he organized many activists was already Christian. Are you trying to say that he wanted to convert Christians to Christianity?
The South, The hardcore Bible Belt, adamantly wanted to maintain their segregationist policies regardless of what Washington, DC said. President Kennedy had to send in federal troops to escort black students to schools. In the archives of the American press you should be able to find many photos of whites taunting the blacks. The taunting was mild compared to the stone throwing, the beatings, and the lynchings. None of these actions were about religion or religious conversion.
That sure has something to say about the "Christian" South.
And your compring the South now, to something that happened 40 something years ago??
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Old 05-31-2007, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Maine
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And your compring the South now, to something that happened 40 something years ago??
All of that happened in the South because there are no grizzly bears in the South.
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Old 05-31-2007, 11:00 AM
 
Location: ARK-KIN-SAW
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All of that happened in the South because there are no grizzly bears in the South.
interesting point
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Old 05-31-2007, 12:25 PM
 
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All of that happened in the South because there are no grizzly bears in the South.
Yes, but there are a lot of turkeys!
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Old 05-31-2007, 01:46 PM
 
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The richest man in the world, as well as one of the most generous, is an atheist, Bill Gates.
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Old 06-01-2007, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Frisco, Tx
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Hi JeepGirl118
Good observation. I appreciate your response. Yes, my comments are stereotyped and a sweeping generalization. My opinions are harsh and caustic as well. The subject of Christianity is something I've pondered several times daily for decades.
I'm sure there are many Christians who would not fit my description. A condsiderable influence upon me is living in the US, especially in the Bible Belt.
I often refer to the Amish. They reject electricity, work their fields with horses or oxen, dress according to their wishes, and believe in the Bible. That's fine, I can admire their convictions, mostly becaused they are not seen in the realm of politics. They are not trying to change the way in which others live. I have no idea how they vote, or even if they vote.
I have no problem with any religion as long as the believers apply their religion to themselves.
All that being said, I don't think being good has anything to do with religion unless somebody is willing to follow the constructs of said religion. All have nice principles to follow allowing for decency to your fellow man etc. But there are lots of beer stores in the south when the majority is baptist, Why does Mesquite, Nevada have so many large casinos in the desert next to the utah border? It is individual people who are good and decent, religion can help guide some to be that way, but it offers a crutch to many others that they can act the way they want pending redemption. I could go on and on and I know many of you have no interest in reading more of my wall of text. To end, no, christians are not better people by default.


That last part is the jewel. Humans created all of these religions regardless of where each denomination/religion professes the messages came from, it was all interpreted by humans who then inserted prejudice and our way is the right way etc. etc. etc.

Why do so many different sects think they have it figured out, nobody else does, and they need to evangelize their beliefs on everyone else? Are they all right, or are they all wrong. The only one's who are not terribly evangelistic tend to be buddhists, not sure about the hindu religion. Muslims obviously think anybody who is not muslim needs to be converted as does the christian religion.

Then within the christian community there is much infighting as to which denomination is right. Is it the latter day saints, catholics, the baptists(who think the catholics are evil), methodists...unity church? Seriously, you could make a case for it all being the same god, that is interpreted differently by different tribes of people. That would certainly decrease the amount of wars waged in the name of religious doctrine(see ireland, middle east). Pretty much fighting over rantings of ancient prophets whether they be Muhammed or Moses.

Can anybody honestly tell me how any of these denominations/religions can justify that? Dont' say the bible, the book of morman or the qur'an those are all human interpretations of what the mind thinks it sees, is it something worth fighting, arguing, or killing over? Just a thought. Deride me at will, but inside you know there is some truth to this.

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