Does God Still Do Miracles? (believer, Christ, prayers, differences)

[GCSTroop]

Originally Posted by HopOnPop

Exactly! I am somewhat amazed at the level of assumption, and out right faith some atheists are exhibiting in this thread.... GCSTroop (not to pick on you -- I agree with your point as it pertains to prayer completely -- but...) even had a solid argument going, but when it comes down to definitive explanation, s/he resorts to believing that any anamolies were "probably" due to quack doctors.

It is a personal choice whether one finds something unusual as a miracle or not -- and it really has nothing to do with your religion or lack there of. Don't even pretend that science and education can explain these phenomena, there simply is no such thing as that level of accuracy, especially in medical sciences, to account for the unusual events that occur there.

Ummm, Thank You, I think......

[HopOnPop]

Originally Posted by dreameyes

Well if you need physical evidence of miracles then you will never believe in them. If there was physical evidence and a scientific explanation it would not be a miracle! If you saw the miracle of turning water into wine you would believe for that moment, but without faith that belief will soon be lost.

This is not true either. I see many things that are fully explainable as miraculous. For example, the main protocol that makes the Internet work, TCP/IP, is very basic and simple set of rules. Yet, what people are able to accomplish with this almost primitive protocol today, is certainly a miracle to me. I understand perfectly why it works, but if anyone had been handed the specifications for this protocol and told what it was to accomplish in the beginning of the 21st century, virtually everyone would have laughed in the face of the researchers who developed it.

[FROMCATOGA]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

Help me, fromcatoga, isn't Islam based on works. That you have to work hard to please Allah to gain entrance into Paradise and, in fact, martyrdom is the highest level of service?

Hence my references earlier of Allah being a god that promotes death while Jehovah(Yahweh), through Christ, promotes Life?

Alpha,

You are correct. Islam is based on works. If you do, then you get, but if you don't do, then you don't get.

As far as being a martyr is concerned, I wasn't taught that, but I was taught that if someone threatens a fellow brother, we would all destroy that person, or people... I am telling you, it was set up like the military... We had different squads, and even had to march, and salute so-called "officers."

[HopOnPop]

Originally Posted by GCSTroop

Ummm, Thank You, I think......

Sorry -- I do respect and agree with your position on virtually everything you have written everywhere here, so I apologize to pick on you in this thread. So, I take it back! Your logic was flawless. I was wrong. Everyone ignore my post above re: GCSTroop!

[GCSTroop]

Originally Posted by HopOnPop

Sorry -- I do respect and agree with your position on virtually everything you have read everywhere here, so I apologize to pick on you here. So, I take it back! Your logic was flawless. I was wrong. Everyone ignore my post above re: GCSTroop!

LOL! No, I was just confused as to whether you agreed or disagreed with me, that's why I responded the way I did. But, I certainly believe you have a very valid point with your response.

[carolinajack]

you bet he does, he is in the miracle business, healing and saving all who call on him

[dreameyes]

Originally Posted by MontanaGuy

You suggest that faith is necessary or the belief will be lost. I'm not sure what you mean by that. It's almost like you're admitting that it really isn't true but you're going to keep your faith anyway. If it could be clearly demonstrated that a miracle had happened I could be persuaded by scientific evidence and change my mind about miracles because I'm always open minded to verifiable evidence. That's the nature of science.

Ya your mind would be changed for that particular miracle. But all miracles do not have physical evidence. Miracles come from God and in order to understand things or see some things as miracles you would need to look through spiritual eyes and not physical ones. I'm saying that if you really don't believe in miracles and you are witness to one people can rationalize away just about anything. Ok I don't know if I'm making sense here I'm not the best with words sometimes.

[dreameyes]

Originally Posted by HopOnPop

This is not true either. I see many things that are fully explainable as miraculous. For example, the main protocol that makes the Internet work, TCP/IP, is very basic and simple set of rules. Yet, what people are able to accomplish with this almost primitive protocol today, is certainly a miracle to me. I understand perfectly why it works, but if anyone had been handed the specifications for this protocol and told what it was to accomplish in the beginning of the 21st century, virtually everyone would have laughed in the face of the researchers who developed it.

That is very true. Thankyou for explaining it better to me.

[GCSTroop]

Originally Posted by carolinajack

you bet he does, he is in the miracle business, healing and saving all who call on him

Jack, I hate reiterate my question again, but if that is true and he heals all who call on him than why doesn't god heal amputees? There has never been a single recorded medical case of someone growing a leg or arm back. EVER. Surely, one of those persons must have been worthy of it, right? But, not once has a limb just regenerated. Does God really dislike amputees that much?

[zonababe]

Originally Posted by irishmom

Well even with out video taped evidence you can not deny the fact that there are miracles even if you choose to use a different word to describe such events. For example: What about people who are healed from terrible illness for no reason? There are scores of medical incidents where people who had cancers so advanced one day and then for no reason or medical intervention the tumors are just gone. To me I would call this a miracle.

I sure hope more Christians believe in this medical healing phenomena. Perhaps these miracles without medical intervention, will cut my time in the doctor's waiting room.