Where in the bible does it say being gay is wrong? (mercy, gays)

[weatherologist]

Originally Posted by weatherologist

For those who subscribe to "sola scriptura", doesn't the Bible teach that we are saved by the blood of Christ? That's it! Finished! Over! End of story! Christ died for our sins! If you believe that, how can you say that a homosexual who has accepted Christ as their Lord and Savior will not see Heaven? If a person is truly "in love" with someone of the same sex and it is their nature, their genetic make-up, that does not allow them to love someone of the opposite sex, and the love God, why would God condemn them to an eternity away from Him?

Originally Posted by weatherologist

can an atheist know "true" love? (and I just so know that someone is going to take that out of context.)

I'm sorry, because it looks like this thread might actually die, but I just can't leave it alone. While I was out, it occured to me that my questions where never addressed. How say you?

[cg81]

Originally Posted by weatherologist

OK, this is a little OT, but I am struggling with this thread. I am so totally with Jeff on this subject. For the sake of argument and as a comparison, by what you say in the above quote, can an atheist know "true" love? I am sorry, but I believe that all humans are capable of and desire "true love". I believe it was what we were created for. "To love one another." (and I just so know that someone is going to take that out of context.)

Sorry, weather, I didn't mean to ignore your question! I had already posted, just before you did, to clarify what I had meant by love and God. Sorry if I gave the wrong impression. Following is what I had posted:

Originally Posted by cg81

I guess I should explain more clearly what I meant! I do believe that everyone, saved or not, can show a measure of love to others, but the essence of love itself is from God... Any good deed or action done unselfishly by anyone, saved or not is a touch of God and His love on this earth, IMO. I do not believe that love is something "manufactured" within us, but comes from a source which we can channel to others, and I'm sure the devil is not the source! I'm not sure if this explains it more clearly or not...

[SDBreaux]

Originally Posted by foma

I've been reading a lot of posts today and decided to start this thread because of comments that I've read. By no means am I gay, nor Christian but I am curious where in the Bible does it say that being gay is wrong?

Also, if Christ died for our sins and being gay is a sin, then why couldn't have Christ died for gays' sins as well? We commit sins every day. Some worse than others. Why is it that a murderer who is truly sorry for his sin can be forgiven yet a gay person is constantly judged by Christians?

The only person who should judge is God, right? He is ultimately the one who decides whether we go to heaven or hell so why is it that at the "church level" gays are judged and "kicked out" of their religion?

Unfortunately there is much confusion over what certain passages actually meant. I'm by no means someone who can educate you on that, but I'm sure there are other people here who understand the "loss of translation." I personally do not believe any human will eternally boil in a pit of flesh-consuming worms. Why? Well, because the God I have faith in would not create something with the knowledge that it will have the most horrible death! The God I know and love is kind, loving and merciful. :-)

[Oakback]

Very frustrating.
I believe that there are many Homosexual christians that are very sincere in their interpretation of scripture, and truely desire to walk in the steps of OUR LORD.
Please, all of us who call ourselves Christian, lets pray for discernment. Our house is divided.

[SDBreaux]

Originally Posted by Oakback

Very frustrating.
I believe that there are many Homosexual christians that are very sincere in their interpretation of scripture, and truely desire to walk in the steps of OUR LORD.
Please, all of us who call ourselves Christian, lets pray for discernment. Our house is divided.

Thank you for posting a sincere, non-threatening response, Outback.

[Pathwalker]

Originally Posted by cg81

Good points, Oakback! I also believe that too many people confuse "lust" with "love". Been there, done that.

Whoa, whoa, whoa - hold on a second.

Okay, I know I'm breaking my silence, but that comment really honks me off.

What makes you presume I confuse lust with love? I'm not an idiot. Why would you presume that only a heterosexual person in a marriage is capable of knowing the difference between lust and love, but a homosexual wouldn't? That's such crap!

Did anyone actually READ what I wrote?

[Pathwalker]

Originally Posted by jeffncandace

This response is very well put...but I feel compelled to point out that while YOU can eventually fulfill your lust for your wife, a gay Christian is not supposed to EVER fulfill any kind of true sexual desire. I think that while the sin of lust is a common denominator, for a gay Christian, they are asked to never have their physical needs fulfilled, while you are free to do so.

Thank you!

Oh sheesh, I said I was going to shut up. NOW look what I'm doing.

[Earniefan]

WCRob - am I right to assume you are a gay man?

[Oakback]

"Is this really THE one "phenomenon" in all of humanity that is the perfect deception?"

There is no deception. And I hear you loud and clear.

Putting myself in your shoes, I would have a big problem with the hypocrasy of heterosexual married couples.

Take the young couple full of vim and vigor ( lust ) who promise before a god that they have no clue about, that they will love ( what's that ) honor ( ? ) and cherish till death ( or until she gets flabby ) do us part. To be open to children ( mmmm now it gets interesting ) and to raise them in the church ( that building we're having the open bar in tonight ) . We do ( well sort of ).

Marriage as an institution is generally a joke to most. Relationships seem to last because everyone is still having fun, or because their scared to death to change.

The fact is, marriage is spiritual boot camp. And GOD knew perfectly well what "HE" was doing when he instituted it.

There are too many hypocritical heterosexuals telling you guys what to do.

[Pathwalker]

Originally Posted by Earniefan

WCRob - am I right to assume you are a gay man?

Yes, that is correct.