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What if chimps evolved into humans? I guess we can throw that make-believ'n out, since there is no evidence for it!
How many times must it be said? Humans DID NOT evolve from chimps. Both came from a single ancestor in the past that was neither human nor chimp. Chimps have probably changed as much as humans since then.
The boat landed on the mountain ranges of Arrarat. So, it was not necessarily on the tip top. Further, the mountain ranges have all been thrust up since the flood.
The flood was caused by the breaking up of the techtonic plates. Once the plates were free, they then could ride up the edges of each other forming the mountains.
The cracking of the techtonic plates under the ocean caused the sea water to touch magma, causing steam jets to thrust into the sky (hence the "fountains of the deep" quote from the bible). This water that entered the atmosphere is what fell on land and flooded the entire earth. The earth remained flooded until the ocean waters could cool the magma and cease the vents of steam which were bursting high into the sky. Then the water receeded to the oceans which is where all of the water from Noah's flood remains. It is not a calculation of how much water it would take to cover the earth, it is a matter of rate of rain falling to reach the point to flood all of the land, not volume.
See I have some help now in the person of Nikk " for all of you" folks having a (Anti- Christian Festival) as brilliant as you scientists are you can't fiqure out how to make a SPACE STATION On The Moon.......and you "sure can't fiqure out" how GOD created "earth" and "mankind"..!
Sorry to ruin your "Anti-Christian Festival" once again , but what if GOD altered the "Atmosphere" of the planet earth as the "Ark" landed on top of a Mountainm allowing the animal to leave the mountain before the Atmosphere re-adjusted.
And what if , just for discussion "the oceans and sea's" water was so diluted (that freshwater and seawater animals) could both co-exist in the same water , O.K. inquirying minds want to KNOW.
Firstly, being critical of fantasies claimed as real is not "anti-anything".
Secondly, there is no supporting evidence for your delusion.
There are no marine fossils all over the globe ina reas we know were not inland seas during Ice Ages.
No thick fossil layer indicating a massive die-off of everything on the planet.
There simply isn't enough water on, or in, the planet to compeltely inundate the surface.
How did pengins get home, fly?
And ass anyone you might know personally who has a salt-water aquarium if salt-water species can survive if the mineral level of their water changes drastically.
See I have some help now in the person of Nikk " for all of you" folks having a (Anti- Christian Festival) as brilliant as you scientists are you can't fiqure out how to make a SPACE STATION On The Moon.......and you "sure can't fiqure out" how GOD created "earth" and "mankind"..!
Yes, we CAN figure out how to make a space station on the moon.
The funds and motivation to do so are lacking.
And we have indeed figured out how your god created everything. He didn't.
Yes, we CAN figure out how to make a space station on the moon.
The funds and motivation to do so are lacking.
And we have indeed figured out how your god created everything. He didn't.
Maybe just maybe you aren't "motivated" because you aren't capable of doing it....we have Trillions of dollars for the Iraq "war" on Middle Eastern Oil Deposits.!!!
Maybe just maybe you aren't "motivated" because you aren't capable of doing it....we have Trillions of dollars for the Iraq "war" on Middle Eastern Oil Deposits.!!!
And what does your response have anything to do with my post, or this thread?
Sorry to ruin your "Anti-Christian Festival" once again ,
1) This is an open discussion, a supposedly honest debate, Howest. If your side keeps running away from logical discourse, that's not our problem. It only becomes an "Anti-Christian Festival" as you call it when the Christians cannot, even to save their own lives, come back with any logical commentary.
Instead they frantically and wishfully resort to magical "what if" solutions, as you do here...
"but what if GOD altered the "Atmosphere" of the planet earth as the "Ark" landed on top of a Mountain allowing the animal to leave the mountain before the Atmosphere re-adjusted.
What atmospheric parameter could God "adjust" [your word...] to "allow the animals to leave"? We have it in your bible that it took some time for the global flood to recede. The resulting global devastation would be complete, as you must realize. It was God's stated intent to "kill every thing", so what do you imagine would be left to eat?
And what if , just for discussion "the oceans and sea's" water was so diluted (that freshwater and seawater animals) could both co-exist in the same water , O.K. inquirying minds want to KNOW.
The answers are: then it was done by MAGIC, and we need not try to discuss the logic of it, which is what science utilizes to get to the right answers.
But...if your imaginary God could just "adjust" things, then why didn't He "just" kill off the truly evil animals (evil Dolphins? Parrots? Chimps? gophers? REALLY? EVIL?).
Any change, however slight, in the ocean's salinity would have a devastating effect on the micro-flora and micro-fauna (like krill, who only live in a specific part of the south Pacific because of temperature and salinity (saltiness) parameters.. Or micro-plankton, on which several major whale and fish species specifically live on. Any decline in, or elimination of, those, and ZAP, those species are gone.
Again, go get some tropical fresh-water fish in a nice temperature-controlled tank, then turn off the tank heater and pour in some sea salt, even just a bit. then, next day, scoop out the dead fish. Get the picture? It's not just "but what if" simple stuff.
In other words, it cannot have happened the way the silly biblical authors say it did. and you can't go changing the story now to suit reality. Nor can you invent or alter scientific reality. As well, we've already proven that there are too many KNOWN species to have been represented by the Ark's inventory, and they would all have died anyhow, being dropped off on the top of Ararat, above the natural tree line, with a totally devastated world, devoid of any living vegetation, to fend for themselves.
This appeals to you? You think it's feasible and logical? Really?
Oceanic biochemistry is far FAR more complex than the original biblical authors could have imagined in their wildest dreams. We're still learning the secrets ourselves. And yet you claim to understand it all, and dismiss all of what we DO know.
1) This is an open discussion, a supposedly honest debate, Howest. If your side keeps running away from logical discourse, that's not our problem. It only becomes an "Anti-Christian Festival" as you call it when the Christians cannot, even to save their own lives, come back with any logical commentary.
Instead they frantically and wishfully resort to magical "what if" solutions, as you do here...
"but what if GOD altered the "Atmosphere" of the planet earth as the "Ark" landed on top of a Mountain allowing the animal to leave the mountain before the Atmosphere re-adjusted.
What atmospheric parameter could God "adjust" [your word...] to "allow the animals to leave"? We have it in your bible that it took some time for the global flood to recede. The resulting global devastation would be complete, as you must realize. It was God's stated intent to "kill every thing", so what do you imagine would be left to eat?
And what if , just for discussion "the oceans and sea's" water was so diluted (that freshwater and seawater animals) could both co-exist in the same water , O.K. inquirying minds want to KNOW.
The answers are: then it was done by MAGIC, and we need not try to discuss the logic of it, which is what science utilizes to get to the right answers.
But...if your imaginary God could just "adjust" things, then why didn't He "just" kill off the truly evil animals (evil Dolphins? Parrots? Chimps? gophers? REALLY? EVIL?).
Any change, however slight, in the ocean's salinity would have a devastating effect on the micro-flora and micro-fauna (like krill, who only live in a specific part of the south Pacific because of temperature and salinity (saltiness) parameters.. Or micro-plankton, on which several major whale and fish species specifically live on. Any decline in, or elimination of, those, and ZAP, those species are gone.
Again, go get some tropical fresh-water fish in a nice temperature-controlled tank, then turn off the tank heater and pour in some sea salt, even just a bit. then, next day, scoop out the dead fish. Get the picture? It's not just "but what if" simple stuff.
In other words, it cannot have happened the way the silly biblical authors say it did. and you can't go changing the story now to suit reality. Nor can you invent or alter scientific reality. As well, we've already proven that there are too many KNOWN species to have been represented by the Ark's inventory, and they would all have died anyhow, being dropped off on the top of Ararat, above the natural tree line, with a totally devastated world, devoid of any living vegetation, to fend for themselves.
This appeals to you? You think it's feasible and logical? Really?
Oceanic biochemistry is far FAR more complex than the original biblical authors could have imagined in their wildest dreams. We're still learning the secrets ourselves. And yet you claim to understand it all, and dismiss all of what we DO know.
How creative and imaginative of you!
No disrespect to you and all of the scientists on this Thread , but do you Honestly believe that "you can BROWBEAT" genuine CHRISTIANS Into Abandoning Their's Christian Faith (By) showing them "Logic" The BIBLE Plainly Says That The CHRISTIAN FAITH Is not made or based UPON LOGIC and Those That Demand Logic "Can Not Be Saved"...!!!...
The only logical commentary that I can give you is "that Christians" were thrown to Lions , Tigers and Bears and still wouldn't renown their's Faith..burned alive at the stake and still wouldn't turn their's backs on CHRIST..must I go on..you are going to be very disappointed if your mission in Life is convincing Real Dye In The Wool CHRISTIANS That Their's Religious Believes Are Fake...!!!...
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