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Old 09-22-2009, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Jesus said to respect and follow his fathers laws,

Are the Jewish laws not his fathers laws?
Jesus fulfilled the law. Matthew 5:17

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

Romans 8:1-2

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The law stands, but it cannot condemn us because we are made free from the law in Christ, in Whose righteousness we stand. New Testament Christianity doesn't do away with the Old Testament laws, it stands in the revelation that the Messiah came to fulfill those laws, or to make complete, or to accomplish what was required that those laws not condemn us. He brought the law to completion, having stood in for us a substitute that the strength of sin (the law) not condemn us.
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Old 09-22-2009, 08:24 PM
 
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Jesus fulfilled the law. Matthew 5:17

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

Romans 8:1-2

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The law stands, but it cannot condemn us because we are made free from the law in Christ, in Whose righteousness we stand. New Testament Christianity doesn't do away with the Old Testament laws, it stands in the revelation that the Messiah came to fulfill those laws, or to make complete, or to accomplish what was required that those laws not condemn us. He brought the law to completion, having stood in for us a substitute that the strength of sin (the law) not condemn us.

Why one asked Jesus "what shall I do to inherit eternal life" Jesus replied, "What is written in the law? How readest thou?" (Lk. 10: 25, 26). When the man correctly answered by alluding to the Ten Commandments, Jesus said "Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live" (vs. 27, 28). Jesus recognized the resident authority of the Hebrew scriptures when he quoted them to defeat the Tempter (Matt. 4, 7, 10, Deut. 8: 3; Ps. 91: 11, 12; Deut. 6: 16).

And the piece de resistance

, “Whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven” (Matt. 5:19).
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Old 09-22-2009, 09:10 PM
 
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Why one asked Jesus "what shall I do to inherit eternal life" Jesus replied, "What is written in the law? How readest thou?" (Lk. 10: 25, 26). When the man correctly answered by alluding to the Ten Commandments, Jesus said "Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live" (vs. 27, 28). Jesus recognized the resident authority of the Hebrew scriptures when he quoted them to defeat the Tempter (Matt. 4, 7, 10, Deut. 8: 3; Ps. 91: 11, 12; Deut. 6: 16).

And the piece de resistance

, “Whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven” (Matt. 5:19).
See post #21. Do you actually believe there is anyone who could keep the law 100%? No way! Only through faith in Jesus' redemptive work can we "fulfill the Law".
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Old 09-23-2009, 05:53 AM
 
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See post #21. Do you actually believe there is anyone who could keep the law 100%? No way! Only through faith in Jesus' redemptive work can we "fulfill the Law".
See post 22, It plainly shows that Jesus said you had to follow his fathers laws. While no one is perfect, he still said you have to follow them.
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Old 09-23-2009, 06:13 AM
 
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Satan gets blamed for a lot, but no one ever claims he does very much. It's God that allegedly ordered all the raping and killing.
Not to mention that satan has never published a book containing his instructions for humans. The only info about satan is in the bible - an obviously biased view.
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Old 09-23-2009, 06:30 AM
 
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Not to mention that satan has never published a book containing his instructions for humans. The only info about satan is in the bible - an obviously biased view.

hhhmmmm....didn't crowley claim himself as the incarnation of said fallen angel?

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Old 09-23-2009, 11:56 AM
 
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See post 22, It plainly shows that Jesus said you had to follow his fathers laws. While no one is perfect, he still said you have to follow them.
Jesus Himself "broke the Law" more than once. Jesus did what the LAW could not do-make us righteous before God. That's what He means by fulfilling the Law.

With Jesus' birth, life, death, and resurrection the Old Covenant was fulfilled and a new covenant was instituted.

Heb. 8:6-8

“But our High Priest [Jesus Christ] has been given a ministry that is far superior to the ministry of those who serve under the old laws, for he is the one who guarantees for us a better covenant with God, based on better promises. If the first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no need for a second covenant to replace it. But God himself found fault with the old one when he said: “The day will come, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah…”
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Old 09-23-2009, 12:05 PM
 
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Jesus Himself "broke the Law" more than once. Jesus did what the LAW could not do-make us righteous before God. That's what He means by fulfilling the Law.

With Jesus' birth, life, death, and resurrection the Old Covenant was fulfilled and a new covenant was instituted.

Heb. 8:6-8

“But our High Priest [Jesus Christ] has been given a ministry that is far superior to the ministry of those who serve under the old laws, for he is the one who guarantees for us a better covenant with God, based on better promises. If the first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no need for a second covenant to replace it. But God himself found fault with the old one when he said: “The day will come, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah…”
No, Jesus didn't break the law. Thats why the Jewish authorities couldn't convict him of breaking Jewish law at the time.

He was executed an innocnent man.

If Jesus had broken Gods law, then he would have sinned. If he sinned, he wouldn't be perfect, and the son of God.

Of course, I don't believe he was God made flesh, but thats besides the point. Jesus said you have to follow his fathers laws. Mosaic law is as much of Gods laws as anything else. The 10 commandments are considered Mosaic law, because it came from Moses. Christians fight to have that kept up in courts and the like, because it is Gods law.
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Old 09-23-2009, 12:20 PM
 
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No, Jesus didn't break the law. Thats why the Jewish authorities couldn't convict him of breaking Jewish law at the time.

He was executed an innocnent man.

If Jesus had broken Gods law, then he would have sinned. If he sinned, he wouldn't be perfect, and the son of God.

Of course, I don't believe he was God made flesh, but thats besides the point. Jesus said you have to follow his fathers laws. Mosaic law is as much of Gods laws as anything else. The 10 commandments are considered Mosaic law, because it came from Moses. Christians fight to have that kept up in courts and the like, because it is Gods law.
So angrily destroying other people's property over a difference of religious interpretation is not a violation of law?

Because if I remember correctly, Jesus did that.
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Old 09-23-2009, 12:39 PM
 
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So angrily destroying other people's property over a difference of religious interpretation is not a violation of law?

Because if I remember correctly, Jesus did that.
No, it wasn't in violation of Jewish law. That wasn't why he was executed, and they didn't charge him with that either.
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