The smartest man in the world says God can be proved with math (salvation, Egyptian)

[sanspeur]

The smartest man in the world says God can be proved with math ....Talk is cheap...Where is the proof?

[rifleman]

Originally Posted by eanassir

The existence of God is so obvious and certain; because He is the Causative of every movement and every action in the universe; of course I mean God the Creator: no other god in the entire universe but He alone. Even the existence of the universe is dependent on His existence and will.

Assumptive and illogical. Your saying so does not equal fact. One down.

Atheists insist, and it is a matter of what we call in Arabic مغالبة بالكلام which means: atheists use the way of trying to overcome with words and shouting like that in some parliaments and political quarrels and shouting at the market-place; by this way they try to give the impression that God's existence is not logical and not proven ...etc.

Assumptive, unprovable, and illogical. In fact, it's the godly believers who generally cover their ears and eyes and yell "NahNahNahNah' in the face of logical secular presentations. Two down.

Although I don't know what the OP wanted to say exactly.

Arguing without knowing what the topic is. Three down.

Count of three: you're out. But... thanks for playing!

Next?

[eanassir]

I said: "Atheists insist, and it is a matter of what we call in Arabic مغالبة بالكلام which means: atheists use the way of trying to overcome with words and shouting like that in some parliaments and political quarrels and shouting at the market-place; by this way they try to give the impression that God's existence is not logical and not proven ...etc."

Rifleman said: "Assumptive, unprovable, and illogical. In fact, it's the godly believers who generally cover their ears and eyes and yell "NahNahNahNah' in the face of logical secular presentations."

This proves my words true. If you are fair, you will at least say: "Some of atheists do that."

But this is what I called: "atheists use the way of trying to overcome with words and shouting like that in some parliaments and political quarrels and shouting at the market-place"

[eanassir]

The god of atheists

Some people here defend the atheism; I tell them: ask yourselves what are your motives for this?

The atheist god: (whom they serve, although they deny this and most of them are unaware of: Satan and his devils, or do some worship themselves instead of worshipping God Almighty, or worship some of their teachers to this atheism.)

Then, will this atheist god reward you anything? No, nothing but deception and vain desires and vain hopes that will only prove to be a mirage, and nothing else than complete loss.

This is in the Quran 14: 22
وَقَالَ الشَّيْطَانُ لَمَّا قُضِيَ الأَمْرُ إِنَّ اللّهَ وَعَدَكُمْ وَعْدَ الْحَقِّ وَوَعَدتُّكُمْ فَأَخْلَفْتُكُمْ وَمَا كَانَ لِيَ عَلَيْكُم مِّن سُلْطَانٍ إِلاَّ أَن دَعَوْتُكُمْ فَاسْتَجَبْتُمْ لِي فَلاَ تَلُومُونِي وَلُومُواْ أَنفُسَكُم مَّا أَنَاْ بِمُصْرِخِكُمْ وَمَا أَنتُمْ بِمُصْرِخِيَّ إِنِّي كَفَرْتُ بِمَآ أَشْرَكْتُمُونِ مِن قَبْلُ إِنَّ الظَّالِمِينَ لَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ

The explanation:
(And Satan [will] say when the matter [will] have been over:

"God [surely] promised you a promise of truth, but I promised you then I deviated you [from the truth];
even I had no authority over you but that I invited you and you responded to me;
so don't blame me but blame yourselves;
[for] I cannot save you nor can you save me;
I deny your former act of associating me [with God];

there awaits wrong-doers a painful torment.)

[Le Lune]

Originally Posted by eanassir

But this is what I called: "atheists use the way of trying to overcome with words and shouting like that in some parliaments and political quarrels and shouting at the market-place"

So...how can you debate without using words? How do you love, hate, cry, etc without emotions?

Also, you are just as bad....You did not stated "Some atheists" rather "Atheists", which means you clump all Atheists into one group :/

Finally, it's called a debate for a reason. You can't debate without facts or logic. If it was a discussion, there is some leeway, but in a debate, you need to be on top of your game or else your opponent will rip you to shreds with fallacies and ad hominems before you catch them and call it out

[Le Lune]

Originally Posted by eanassir

The god of atheists

Some people here defend the atheism; I tell them: ask yourselves what are your motives for this?

The atheist god: (whom they serve, although they deny this and most of them are unaware of: Satan and his devils, or do some worship themselves instead of worshipping God Almighty, or worship some of their teachers to this atheism.)

Then, will this atheist god reward you anything? No, nothing but deception and vain desires and vain hopes that will only prove to be a mirage, and nothing else than complete loss.

The motives most likely are to seek truth and bring down the destruction of failed and inconsistent religious hogwash that plague the lands and corrupt the people of free will and individual thinking. But that's my guess

I'm "religious", but not of Christian/branch faith.

Why make an assumption that the Atheist "God" is Satan. Go to dictionary.com and get the proper definition of "Atheist" before you spout off verbatim from the conservatives of Fox News. Learn about what is Atheism and their viewpoints rather than what you "think" you know and what your Church's members have been lying to you.

You ask why Atheists hate your religion? Because your religion declared war on their beliefs. Because "you" started it first. And "you" are too proud and vain to accept or apologize over this fact. Simple as that.

[eanassir]

Originally Posted by Le Lune

The motives most likely are to seek truth

ayya paahhh !

Originally Posted by Le Lune

I'm "religious", but not of Christian/branch faith.

So what's this your religion that does not contradict atheism, and atheists do not contradict?

[Le Lune]

Originally Posted by eanassir

pah paahhh !

Pah paahhh?

So what's this your religion that does not contradict atheism, and atheists do not contradict?

My "religion" is technically not considered a religion as it is considered to be composed of a set of beliefs and traditions. It is also composed of a mix of Confucianism, Daoism, and Buddhism ideals and thoughts.

My "religion" do have deities, which contradicts the definition of atheism and vice versa (which I did not state that it didn't contradict atheism in any of my posts). Though, it have to deal more with ancestral worship, filial piety, self-improvement, and reflection. The deities are said to be worshiped so X deity would bring prosperity/harmony/grant wishes to said worshiper. So deities are like pimps, in a sense. We appease them, we get taken care of But really, it's mainly to pray for the continuing safety and health of family and friends. My "religion" does not tell me to spread the love to everyone I know though. It's more of an individual/family thing. And each family interprets it differently as there are no "rules", only "guidelines". This might be cruel, but my "religion" is of cultural nature, so if you are not of this culture, you would have a very hard time accepting it. You cannot "convert" another person into this "religion". You have to be "raised" in it Even then, you could take it or leave it if you wanted to.

However, my belief allows me to try and be open-minded to everything around me. Which includes other religions. I personally don't care about other people's religions or beliefs as long as it doesn't interfere with my own set of beliefs or traditions. Also, to all you converters, please don't cram it down my throat like I'm a 3 year old child. I know how to use Google and Wikipedia like any other person to get my information. And even then, my beliefs are quite "lax" and pretty accepting, while at the same time "withdrawn" as other religions take no part in it or do mine really care about other religions. Call it self-efficient if you will. It is passed down along generations and is mainly a cultural thing.

[Tek_Freek]

Originally Posted by noland123

YouTube - Chris Langan is the world's smartest man Part 1

If ego equals intelligence he certainly qualifies.

[eanassir]

Originally Posted by Le Lune

Pah paahhh?

This in the public expression means condemnation with surprise.

Originally Posted by Le Lune

My "religion" is technically not considered a religion as it is considered to be composed of a set of beliefs and traditions. It is also composed of a mix of Confucianism, Daoism, and Buddhism ideals and thoughts.

Is it man that invents a religion for himself composed of mixture of many religions? or is it God that instruct man about His true religion?

In other words: does man teach God, or does God teach man?

This is very clear in the words of Jesus Christ in the Gospel, when he said to his adversaries: as in Mat. 15: 7-9

"7 You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draw nigh to me with their mouth, and honour me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines: the commandments of men."

And this is in the Quran 3: 83
أَفَغَيْرَ دِينِ اللّهِ يَبْغُونَ وَلَهُ أَسْلَمَ مَن فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ طَوْعًا وَكَرْهًا وَإِلَيْهِ يُرْجَعُونَ

The explanation:

(What [religion] other than God's religion is that these [Jews and Christians] crave,

when to Him is resigned whosoever is in the heavens and the earth [: the planets including the earth], willingly or loath,

and to His [judgment] shall they return [after death]!?)