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"...under God" was added to the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954, two years before our original, Founder crrafted National Motto, E Pluribus Unum, was also obliterated in the theodemocratic movement.
Both examples go against everything our Founders worked for in attempting to protect religion, ad are Constitutionally Illegal.
Want to live in a theocracy, it is you who should move. Saudi might be a good place for you, since a Christian Theocracy has always mirrored what we see in Muslim Theocracies today.
You have at best only the vaguest clue what a theocracy is, and that's at best.
America does not have laws against blasphemy or apostasy. Christ is not on any coin or motto. Nor do people have to swear on any religious text.
And it's great that we're not beholden to everything a bunch of eighteenth century aristocrats believed. We're no longer trying to convert the "Indian savages" to act like us, at least not in the same way. In the age of "E. Pluribus Unum" we enslaved people, banned religions of Indian tribes, forced people to serve in the military against their beliefs, interned the Japanese, etc. It's wonderful we've moved away from that kind of assimilationist tyranny toward a more benign motto.
Still it's not a sign of total change. In the Articles of Confederation it does refer to "The Great Governor of the World" and the Declaration of Independence refers to the Creator. Also the anthem contains "In God Our Trust" and that's what we went with.
Pat Condell, well said, my hero...Too bad we cannot really say what we think here. My unsaid words seem be causing a blockage in my system that is hard to control sometimes.
You have at best only the vaguest clue what a theocracy is, and that's at best.
America does not have laws against blasphemy or apostasy. Christ is not on any coin or motto. Nor do people have to swear on any religious text.
And it's great that we're not beholden to everything a bunch of eighteenth century aristocrats believed. We're no longer trying to convert the "Indian savages" to act like us, at least not in the same way. In the age of "E. Pluribus Unum" we enslaved people, banned religions of Indian tribes, forced people to serve in the military against their beliefs, interned the Japanese, etc. It's wonderful we've moved away from that kind of assimilationist tyranny toward a more benign motto.
Still it's not a sign of total change. In the Articles of Confederation it does refer to "The Great Governor of the World" and the Declaration of Independence refers to the Creator. Also the anthem contains "In God Our Trust" and that's what we went with.
We've already gone toe-to-toe over this issue Thomas.
I knwo full well wat a theocracy means. Re-read my post and you will see no where do I claim the US is a theocracy. And yes, there were local laws against blasphemy left over from our colonial days, also removed under E Pluribus Unum.
And what has occured under "In God We Trust"? Several wars of convinience, napalming Vientamese children, environmental pollution unheard of before.
Our Motto has nothing to do with the differences in history you attribute to the Motto above, strawmen all.
But what the MOtto and Pledge of today DOES have to do with is a Dominionist Agenda and the erosion of our Constitution, opening the door to thoroughly rape that document in the examples of the past administration.
I think the answer from the thread is clear "it's about bashing religion." And your ignorance absolutely astounds me. I remember you trying to argue "Manifest Destiny" was more about religion than nationalism. And how can the Motto be "Dominionist" when it predates that entire movement and was put in under Eisenhower. Do you think Eisenhower was a Dominionist?
Most of the irreligion/secularism represented here is proudly ignorant and a paranoid nightmare. Hopefully I'm really done with it this time.
Most of the irreligion/secularism represented here is proudly ignorant and a paranoid nightmare.
I think you are attributing these traits to the wrong team...It is the religious side who proudly, willfully and blindly keep themselves ignorant...And talk about paranoia!....The whole darned religious movement seems to be based on that.
Manifest Destiny was as much about religion as nationalism, since the two were so intertwined in the concept. The idea was that, "from sea to shining sea", it was our God-given duty to colonize all of the country and Christianize the indigenous population. It was illegal for the latter to practice their own religions from 1883 to 1978, and their children were routinely taken away from them in order to 'take away the Indian to save the child'. Methodists and Congregationalists had a leading role.
In answer to the op..No, this forum is NOT about bashing religion or each other no matter what our world view is.
And this thread is closed.
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