If Jesus and God were one ...Jesus never said this (salvation, church)

[insan777]

Mt 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

because God and Jesus not one , Jesus will not know the Hour !!! this confession that he have a limit ..and He(jesus) and the God have not the same power,authority

[Miss Shawn_2828]

Yes, He did:

John 10:30

30I and the Father are one."

This scripture shows your words are lies.

John 14:11

Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.

[Huckleberry3911948]

the source of a lota argument among the faithful, is he god or is he son of god.

[Reverend1111]

They had the same consciousness. That is the only way Jesus was able to proclaim that He and God were one. Nothing else was meant by that. He cannot be God but He can become like God. Jesus raised His consciousness and He showed the apostles, and anyone else who would listen, how to do it. The apostles didn't understand this until Penticost when their own conscioiusness was raised. God is within and Jesus became like God within His soul. Every single person has the capability to do the same.

[Miss Shawn_2828]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948

the source of a lota argument among the faithful, is he god or is he son of god.

He is both. He is God and the Son of God.

Scripture says both.

But scripture also says that Jesus has many names: You can look them up if you like. Jesus is more than the son of God.

Advocate (1 John 2:1)
Almighty (Rev. 1:8; Mt. 28:18)
Alpha and Omega (Rev. 1:8; 22:13)
Amen (Rev. 3:14)
Apostle of our Profession (Heb. 3:1)
Atoning Sacrifice for our Sins (1 John 2:2)
Author of Life (Acts 3:15)
Author and Perfecter of our Faith (Heb. 12:2)
Author of Salvation (Heb. 2:10)
Beginning and End (Rev. 22:13)
Blessed and only Ruler (1 Tim. 6:15)
Bread of God (John 6:33)
Bread of Life (John 6:35; 6:48)
Bridegroom (Mt. 9:15)
Capstone (Acts 4:11; 1 Pet. 2:7)
Chief Cornerstone (Eph. 2:20)
Chief Shepherd (1 Pet. 5:4)
Christ (1 John 2:22)
Creator (John 1:3)
Deliverer (Rom. 11:26)
Eternal Life (1 John 1:2; 5:20)
Faithful and True (Rev. 19:11)
Faithful Witness (Rev. 1:5)
Faithful and True Witness (Rev. 3:14)
First and Last (Rev. 1:17; 2:8; 22:13)
Firstborn From the Dead (Rev. 1:5)
Firstborn over all creation (Col. 1:15)
Gate (John 10:9)
God (John 1:1; 20:28; Heb. 1:8; Rom. 9:5; 2 Pet. 1:1;1 John 5:20; etc.)
Good Shepherd (John 10:11,14)
Great Shepherd (Heb. 13:20)
Great High Priest (Heb. 4:14)
Head of the Church (Eph. 1:22; 4:15; 5:23)
Heir of all things (Heb. 1:2)
High Priest (Heb. 2:17)
Holy and True (Rev. 3:7)
Holy One (Acts 3:14)
Hope (1 Tim. 1:1)
Hope of Glory (Col. 1:27)
Horn of Salvation (Luke 1:69)
I Am (John 8:58)
Image of God (2 Cor. 4:4)
Immanuel (Mt. 1:23)
Judge of the living and the dead (Acts 10:42)
King Eternal (1 Tim. 1:17)
King of Israel (John 1:49)
King of the Jews (Mt. 27:11)
King of kings (1 Tim 6:15; Rev. 19:16)
King of the Ages (Rev. 15:3)
Lamb (Rev. 13:8)
Lamb of God (John 1:29)
Lamb Without Blemish (1 Pet. 1:19)
Last Adam (1 Cor. 15:45)
Life (John 14:6; Col. 3:4)
Light of the World (John 8:12)
Lion of the Tribe of Judah (Rev. 5:5)
Living One (Rev. 1:18)
Living Stone (1 Pet. 2:4)
Lord (2 Pet. 2:20)
Lord of All (Acts 10:36)
Lord of Glory (1 Cor. 2:8)
Lord of lords (Rev. 19:16)
Man from Heaven (1 Cor. 15:48)
Master (Lk. 5:5; 8:24; 9:33)
Mediator of the New Covenant (Heb. 9:15)
Mighty God (Isa. 9:6)
Morning Star (Rev. 22:16)
Offspring of David (Rev. 22:16)
Only Begotten Son of God (John 1:18; 1 John 4:9)
Our Great God and Savior (Titus 2:13)
Our Holiness (1 Cor. 1:30)
Our Husband (2 Cor. 11:2)
Our Protection (2 Thess. 3:3)
Our Redemption (1 Cor. 1:30)
Our Righteousness (1 Cor. 1:30)
Our Sacrificed Passover Lamb (1 Cor. 5:7)
Power of God (1 Cor. 1:24)
Precious Cornerstone (1 Pet. 2:6)
Prophet (Acts 3:22)
Rabbi (Mt. 26:25)
Resurrection and Life (John 11:25)
Righteous Branch (Jer. 23:5)
Righteous One (Acts 7:52; 1 John 2:1)
Rock (1 Cor. 10:4)
Root of David (Rev. 5:5; 22:16)
Ruler of God’s Creation (Rev. 3:14)
Ruler of the Kings of the Earth (Rev. 1:5)
Savior (Eph. 5:23; Titus 1:4; 3:6; 2 Pet. 2:20)
Son of David (Lk. 18:39)
Son of God (John 1:49; Heb. 4:14)
Son of Man (Mt. 8:20)
Son of the Most High God (Lk. 1:32)
Source of Eternal Salvation for all who obey him (Heb. 5:9)
The One Mediator (1 Tim. 2:5)
The Stone the builders rejected (Acts 4:11)
True Bread (John 6:32)
True Light (John 1:9)
True Vine (John 15:1)
Truth (John 1:14; 14:6)
Way (John 14:6)
Wisdom of God (1 Cor. 1:24)
Word (John 1:1)
Word of God (Rev. 19:13)

[Reverend1111]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948

the source of a lota argument among the faithful, is he god or is he son of god.

He's a Creator Son. He rules over our universe, however, He is not God. God is alone and no one is beside Him. We can be like Him but never Him. Just as Jesus can be like Him but never Him.

[Miss Shawn_2828]

Originally Posted by Reverend1111

He's a Creator Son. He rules over our universe, however, He is not God. God is alone and no one is beside Him. We can be like Him but never Him. Just as Jesus can be like Him but never Him.

Of course you don't have anything to back that up what you are saying. You don't believe in the bible, so, where do you get your information, besides in thin air.

[Maia160]

Originally Posted by Miss Shawn_2828

Of course you don't have anything to back that up what you are saying. You don't believe in the bible, so, where do you get your information, besides in thin air.

The 'truth' of your bible is not proven. Where did the writers get their information, if not from thin air?

[Reverend1111]

Originally Posted by Miss Shawn_2828

Of course you don't have anything to back that up what you are saying. You don't believe in the bible, so, where do you get your information, besides in thin air.

I never understood that sentence. "Out of thin air". I have teachers and I have celestials and I have Jesus to teach me. Jesus said He is the Creator Son. You can't know that because you have a closed mind and cannot fathom that there are higher truths out there. Be a good little christian and respect that I have different beliefs. I'm merely explaining the truths as I have been taught and how I understand them just as you do.

Of course it's not in the format called the bible so it must be a lie. God forbid someone have another truth that isn't written in that old book called "The Bible". God is greater than you can imagine. How can His truths be so little that they would fit into just one book.

[Miss Shawn_2828]

Originally Posted by Reverend1111

I never understood that sentence. "Out of thin air". I have teachers and I have celestials and I have Jesus to teach me. Jesus said He is the Creator Son. You can't know that because you have a closed mind and cannot fathom that there are higher truths out there. Be a good little christian and respect that I have different beliefs. I'm merely explaining the truths as I have been taught and how I understand them just as you do.

Of course it's not in the format called the bible so it must be a lie. God forbid someone have another truth that isn't written in that old book called "The Bible". God is greater than you can imagine. How can His truths be so little that they would fit into just one book.

Of course it's not in the format called the bible so it must be a lie

Yes, you are correct in saying that. You seemed to be deceived, Jesus never calls Himself the creator son.Geeze, what ever spirit is coming to you, it is really messing up you image of God.

Jesus called Himself the Son of God, He is the Creator. He never used the words creator son.