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Old 10-22-2009, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Yeah, but I have met people with baited breath, well at least that's what it smells like....
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Old 10-22-2009, 02:47 PM
 
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Yeah, but I have met people with baited breath, well at least that's what it smells like....
I know what you mean. I've run into a few who smelled like their breath had been fish baited.
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Old 10-22-2009, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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You "know thats not all the bible says," yet you continue to cherry-pick snippets out of context to generate a seeming contradiction, which only seems contradictory precisely because you quote snippets out of context, conveniently ignoring the rest of the literature. You either truly don't know enough to make a rational statement or, at worst, you're being disingenuous just to bolster your obviously biased position.




Not at all. I'm pointing out that when you snip a few simple lines out of a work of literature with the intent of juxtaposing them to demonstrate a seeming contradiction, conveniently ignoring the rest of the literary work, you are creating an absolutely irrational and false basis for asserting contradiction.

It would be no different than if you took a History book and quoted a line of a chapter in that book that identified New York City as the capital of the USA and then quoted a line from a later chapter that identifed Washington, DC as the capital of the USA. If you did that, and then said, "AHA! Look at that! A lot of people think this History book is accurate, but lookie thar! It done CONTRADICTED hisself!!!" people would quickly point out that you took each line out of context, and that when put in context BOTH statements are true. The contradiction is fabricated by your manipulation of the text, pulling lines out of context and conveniently ignoring the rest of the text.



What does "induputible" mean?

And, again, you are using snippets of text out of context to make your point, conveniently excluding the rest of the literature in your "reasoning".



Well, I didn't post anything from the Bible, because your problem at this point is in reading comprehension and logic, in which I just gave you a refresher (??? more like an introductory) course.

Try to learn logic and apply it when you argue, it will give you some credibility and something on which people can build a conversation with you. As long as you stick to the old, hackneyed, tired anti-Christian talking points you will not be having rational discussions.

If you prefer to stick to irrational reasons to hate Christianity you are certainly entitled to do so; just don't expect to always get away with passing it off as rational, someone like me is bound to hold your feet to the fire.
Its either the undisputable word of God, or its not. You choose.
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Old 10-22-2009, 04:41 PM
 
Location: South Africa
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Idiom Definitions for 'Bated breath'

If someone says they're waiting with bated breath, they're very excited and find it difficult to be patient
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('Baited breath' is a common mistake.)
Nope, I understand it precisely as highlighted
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Old 10-22-2009, 05:01 PM
 
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Read what the bible says, not what you want it to say!
I would admonish all supposed christians to do the same...

but, I think the whole book is just a fantasy compilation.
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Old 10-22-2009, 05:21 PM
 
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I would admonish all supposed christians to do the same...

but, I think the whole book is just a fantasy compilation.
Let's review some of the church's history. For thousand of years they supported and accomodated slavery. When it was no longer the vogue they disowned any hint of the subject. The scripture about masters being good to their slaves and for slaves to obey their masters is still there but they ignore it.

For thousands of years they hunted, rounded up, tortured and burned witches at the stake with hundreds viewing the cruelty. Now that everybody knows there no such thing as a witch they ignore it. The scripture is still there but it's much too unpopular to preach about.

Infant baptism was required by the church for more than a thousand years but most people rejected it so now very few denominations even mention the baptism of infants. The scripture is still there...none of it has changed.

Women are supposed to be submissive to their husbands. Also the woman is not supposed to hold any kind of position of authority and for thousands of years they kept their mouthes shut and listened for instructions. The scripture is still there but for the most part is ignored.

When public opinion changes about something the church is doing they drop it like a hot potato. You know why? They like for people to keep coming in and dropping off part of their money. They'll turn loose of anything to keep the money coming in.

Latest thing is a real, burning, red hot hell. After preaching hundreds of millions of fire and brimstone sermons they are trying to convince everyone that is was simply an error in translation. The scripture is still there...never has been changed.

KEEP THEM CARDS AND LETTERS COMING...ESPECIALLY THE DONATIONS.
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Old 10-22-2009, 07:48 PM
 
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Let's review some of the church's history. For thousand of years they supported and accomodated slavery. When it was no longer the vogue they disowned any hint of the subject. The scripture about masters being good to their slaves and for slaves to obey their masters is still there but they ignore it.

For thousands of years they hunted, rounded up, tortured and burned witches at the stake with hundreds viewing the cruelty. Now that everybody knows there no such thing as a witch they ignore it. The scripture is still there but it's much too unpopular to preach about.

Infant baptism was required by the church for more than a thousand years but most people rejected it so now very few denominations even mention the baptism of infants. The scripture is still there...none of it has changed.

Women are supposed to be submissive to their husbands. Also the woman is not supposed to hold any kind of position of authority and for thousands of years they kept their mouthes shut and listened for instructions. The scripture is still there but for the most part is ignored.

When public opinion changes about something the church is doing they drop it like a hot potato. You know why? They like for people to keep coming in and dropping off part of their money. They'll turn loose of anything to keep the money coming in.

Latest thing is a real, burning, red hot hell. After preaching hundreds of millions of fire and brimstone sermons they are trying to convince everyone that is was simply an error in translation. The scripture is still there...never has been changed.

KEEP THEM CARDS AND LETTERS COMING...ESPECIALLY THE DONATIONS.
Agreed, but they rationalize all of it and continue to try to make public laws based on the book that is 'the infallible word of God' because IT says it is.
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Old 10-23-2009, 06:34 AM
 
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Agreed, but they rationalize all of it and continue to try to make public laws based on the book that is 'the infallible word of God' because IT says it is.
And in reality it's a function of where one happens to be born. People born in Iran or Saudia Arabia don't spend much time studying the same word of god. People born in the orient don't seem to be very interested in the bible. Come to think of it Christians know very little about the actual scriptures. Most of them know a few verses which were carefully chosen for them and once a week use an hour and a half of their time listening to a minister share the fruits of an hour of study and research which is also based upon a few well chosen verses.

Church is a social event. It's a way for people to share with one another and to know they have a crutch when life's difficult times come along. Religion goes back to primitive mankind's inability to accept his mortality and little has changed. Generation after generation pass this crutch along.

To most "Christians" who are much too busy enjoying their comfortable and convenient lives anything more being required of them is not even considered..
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Old 10-23-2009, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Walt Disney World
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And in reality it's a function of where one happens to be born. People born in Iran or Saudia Arabia don't spend much time studying the same word of god. People born in the orient don't seem to be very interested in the bible. Come to think of it Christians know very little about the actual scriptures. Most of them know a few verses which were carefully chosen for them and once a week use an hour and a half of their time listening to a minister share the fruits of an hour of study and research which is also based upon a few well chosen verses.

Church is a social event. It's a way for people to share with one another and to know they have a crutch when life's difficult times come along. Religion goes back to primitive mankind's inability to accept his mortality and little has changed. Generation after generation pass this crutch along.

To most "Christians" who are much too busy enjoying their comfortable and convenient lives anything more being required of them is not even considered..
Actually, great strides are being made in China in spreading the Gospel.

Melvin, you seem to know about a lot of Christians & a lot of churches.
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Old 10-23-2009, 07:36 AM
 
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Actually, great strides are being made in China in spreading the Gospel.

Melvin, you seem to know about a lot of Christians & a lot of churches.


Survey finds Christianity on the decline -- even in the South


Christian faith still flourishes in the Bible Belt -- but there, like elsewhere, it's in decline.

That's one of the findings of the 2008 American Religious Identification Survey released this week. The study is especially valuable because it tracks trends over time -- previous reports were done in 1990 and 2001 -- and draws on a rich volume of data (in 2008, questionnaires of 54,400 people).

The big finding of the report is that Protestant Christians are in decline:
The percentage of Christians in America, which declined in the 1990s from 86.2 percent to 76.7 percent, has now edged down to 76 percent. Ninety percent of the decline comes from the non-Catholic segment of the Christian population, largely from the mainline denominations, including Methodists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Episcopalians/Anglicans, and the United Church of Christ.
The number of Catholics is declining as well, but not nearly as much largely because losses in the Northeast have been balanced out by a growth of Catholics -- fueled by new immigrants -- in the South and Southwest. (Perhaps Christians have Latinos and other new immigrants to thank from keeping church values alive.)

Believe what you will but don't let a few little disagreeable facts annoy you. It appears that Thomas Jefferson's assertion to John Adams, third president to the second, just might finally come to fruition:

"the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding"

~Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, from Monticello, April 11, 1823; Lester J. Cappon, ed., <A href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0807842303/">The Adams-Jefferson Letters: The Complete Correspondence~
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