If you have no interest in religion, why post on a religion board? (Buddhists, translation)

[Lacerta]

I think the main reason I post occasionally in this forum is because I want both sides to be heard by anyone reading a particular thread. Much of the time, the threads I post in here are talking about something that (I feel) is so glaringly, obviously wrong that I don't want people to think it is true simply because there is nothing readily available that says it isn't.

Think about it this way. If you had children and they didn't know what they believed, and were researching what different people have to say about all sorts of different subjects and everything they found said that racism was the best thing in the world, that anyone not of pure descent was evil and needed to be wiped from the earth...wouldn't you be glad if one voice spoke up and said "wait a minute, I disagree and here is why..." Maybe it would make your child think for just long enough to realize that maybe more research was in order before coming to a life changing decision.

How many times have you heard the phrase "I didn't know any different" or "I didn't know there was another way". I don't want anyone who reads these forums to have that as an excuse.

[LogicIsYourFriend]

To the OP:

I have no interest in FOLLOWING religion, but the phenomenon of religion does interest me. You would do well to disambiguate.

[rifleman]

Originally Posted by victorianpunk

No, I do not, which is why I so loved talking to Hindues, Jews and Muslims at the university, as I said.

It is just people who say "I DON'T NEED RELIGION IN MY LIFE" and feel some compelling need to say it on a board dedicated to religion that I do not understand.

I disagree with people who like sports, but do you see me going on the sports board and saying how much I disagree with their love of sports?

You really don't get it, do you, vp? This is an open discussion forum where people can post their ideas, their passions and their complaints. You scan the various thread titles, your interest is piqued, you figure you have something to say, and you make some comment. Others then comment on your comment.

This particular sub-forum is NOT a board dedicated to religion. Perhaps you misunderstood that?

This happens to be the Religion & Philosophy sub-forum. You can wander over to The Dark Side (the Christianity sub) and talk to the endless line of believers. I'm amused that even they fight amongst themselves as to who said and meant what, and which version of the inerrant bible is errant, and so on. Hardly a happy consensus, wouldn't you agree?

So. You want to present and then dispute with us your personal happy world view that conveniently ignores all the science you love to hate (and that you love to tell us you hate) and then have us all give you a nice pat on the back?

Sorry. You have neither logic nor reason on your side, you systematically deny proven facts because they all come together to completely dismantle organized, mythological, power- and fear-mongering stricture-laden Christianity. Any single one (or, easily, two) of these factual reviews (age of the earth, fossils, evolution, DNA itself, astronomy, sedimetary varve accumulations, volcanism, etc. etc.) will in and of themselves terminate the silliness of Christianity unless you back off to some lesser "philosophical" position. (I call that one "Ostrich Christianity". You know; head in the sand?)

You like Christianity and Jesus and your God. Fine. Go to where those types with your same view reside and pat each other lovingly on their backs, a sort of mutal self-aggrandizement society, telling each other that it's all right.

Over here is precisely where we discuss how nut-ball and wack-a-loon a lot of the consequences of that belief system are. At least to a rational observer.

You've seen it here: a literal Noah's Ark, a flat earth, the sun made of crystals. All species popping into existance instantly, not to mention the entire universe. We have your God ignoring the constants of time and space, because He works in Mysterious Ways. But then, suddenly He reverts to standard time, physics, logic etc. when you want to make some other points.

Welcome aboard, if you can stand the commentary.

[Mercury Cougar]

Originally Posted by rifleman

Welcome aboard, if you can stand the commentary.

In other words, if you can't stand the heat...

[Maia160]

Do we really need another 'banish the nasty atheists' thread? I seem to recall several of these being posted within the past month.

[Mercury Cougar]

Originally Posted by Maia160

Do we really need another 'banish the nasty atheists' thread? I seem to recall several of these being posted within the past month.

A vocal proportion of the religious here are quite uncomfortable with the thought that we exist, much less with the idea that in the last few years, we've started speaking out and admitting we're here.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by deepcynic

That describes a lot of religious people I have come across.

I agree. Most of the religious people who attack my beliefs are every bit as bad as the non-religious people who do. As far as I'm concerned, the only reason for anyone to attack anyone else's beliefs about anything of a spiritual nature is insecurity. I truly mean that. I couldn't less about what other people believe. Consequently I don't feel the need to ridicule them, misrepresent their beliefs, tell them they're going to Hell for not believing as I do, or imply that they'd just too stupid to have figured out the truth. (I guess I must be pretty boring. )

[victorianpunk]

Originally Posted by Mercury Cougar

How little you still understand. First of all, I would never say "god is stupid". Do you know why? Think about it, maybe you can squeeeeeze the answer out of your brain if you really really try.

Okay, maybe not YOU, but certaintly there is no shortage of immature anti-theists on this board.

My interest in religion is how to get it out of the laws of our country, and keep it out of government and public schools entirely. It's the only way that we (the American public and American government) can be FAIR and UNBIASED to ALL our citizens of ALL beliefs or non-beliefs.

As a believer in God, without an Atheist bone in his body, I agree with you 100%. I to do not want any religious laws on the books or school prayer or Creationism in the schools or Ten commandments in the court room. What does that have to do with "all religions are stupid" nonsense that people bring onto a RELIGION board is beyond me.

Censorship? I'll bet you agree with banning books from libraries, too. Just because poor little you doesn't like something, doesn't mean we should shut up and not discuss it. Grow up.

I am for free speech, just as long as it's relevant for the place it is. I would not go to the music board and start a thread about Fantasy novels, nor would I go on a board about religion and bring up something that really isn't about religion, but instead, about a lack there of, which is Atheism, and there is a board for that.

I mean, there is a time and a place for everything.

Good for you, you keep repeating this. We got it, we heard it the first fifteen times you said it. It's still a flawed analogy. The fact is, nobody is coming to your house, knocking on your door and telling you you're going to go to hell if you don't like sports.

No, but when ever I am with other males that is, essentially, the reaction I get.

Nobody is making laws that force you to watch sports, or play sports. Nobody forces your child to play sports in school.

HAVE YOU EVER TAKEN PE? Of course I was forced to play basbeall (hated it) soccer (hated it) basketball (I'm short, so I double hated it) and football (absolutely, positively, 100% hated it!) No one is, as we speak, forcing kids to pray in any public schools...right now, about, ohh, maybe 100,000 kids are being forced to play some team sports in PE that they can't stand.

Nobody is telling you "You can't go shopping today,or buy a beer today, because today is the day we watch sports."

...You tree visiting friends in a college town when the team is having a game or worse, being in NYC when the Giants when the superbowl. At least, for the most part, in America anyway, religious holidays are not met with riots in which innocent passersby have their cars set on fire.

[Maia160]

Originally Posted by victorianpunk

...You tree visiting friends in a college town when the team is having a game or worse, being in NYC when the Giants when the superbowl. At least, for the most part, in America anyway, religious holidays are not met with riots in which innocent passersby have their cars set on fire.

Take a clue from the atheists and bring your sports related grievances to the sports nuts. We can't help you since this is the 'Religion and Philosophy' forum.

[victorianpunk]

Originally Posted by rifleman

You really don't get it, do you, vp? This is an open discussion forum where people can post their ideas, their passions and their complaints. You scan the various thread titles, your interest is piqued, you figure you have something to say, and you make some comment. Others then comment on your comment.

This particular sub-forum is NOT a board dedicated to religion. Perhaps you misunderstood that?

This happens to be the Religion & Philosophy sub-forum. You can wander over to The Dark Side (the Christianity sub) and talk to the endless line of believers. I'm amused that even they fight amongst themselves as to who said and meant what, and which version of the inerrant bible is errant, and so on. Hardly a happy consensus, wouldn't you agree?

So. You want to present and then dispute with us your personal happy world view that conveniently ignores all the science you love to hate (and that you love to tell us you hate) and then have us all give you a nice pat on the back?

Sorry. You have neither logic nor reason on your side, you systematically deny proven facts because they all come together to completely dismantle organized, mythological, power- and fear-mongering stricture-laden Christianity. Any single one (or, easily, two) of these factual reviews (age of the earth, fossils, evolution, DNA itself, astronomy, sedimetary varve accumulations, volcanism, etc. etc.) will in and of themselves terminate the silliness of Christianity unless you back off to some lesser "philosophical" position. (I call that one "Ostrich Christianity". You know; head in the sand?)

You like Christianity and Jesus and your God. Fine. Go to where those types with your same view reside and pat each other lovingly on their backs, a sort of mutal self-aggrandizement society, telling each other that it's all right.

Over here is precisely where we discuss how nut-ball and wack-a-loon a lot of the consequences of that belief system are. At least to a rational observer.

You've seen it here: a literal Noah's Ark, a flat earth, the sun made of crystals. All species popping into existance instantly, not to mention the entire universe. We have your God ignoring the constants of time and space, because He works in Mysterious Ways. But then, suddenly He reverts to standard time, physics, logic etc. when you want to make some other points.

Welcome aboard, if you can stand the commentary.

This message competely misses the point because

A) Not everyone who believes in a religion is a Christian, or even a follower of Abrahamic religions, for that matter. The fact that so many anti-theist have a personal crudge with Christianity comes out in the fact that someone says "I like religion..." and then they explode in a tirade of " ALL YOU CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALIST SUCK! ALL YOUR TALK ABOUT BURNING IN HELL! CREATIONISM! HOMOPHOBIA IT MAKES ME SICK! YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF YOU EVIL CHRISTIAN, FOR PUTTING YOUR BOGUS VIEWS ON EVERYONE ELSE!!!!"

They say something like that, all the while the person who said "religion" was in fact a Taoist...

B) Why would I go on a "Christianity" board, when majority of Christians do not think that I am a Christian and, for that matter, what if one of the other four quarters of the world who are not Christian, but still follow some religion, has something to say?

I am of the religious belief that the god of the Old Testament is a sick bastard who created us for the sole purpose of having someone to stroke his big, massive ego and suffer for his amusement. I do not believe that Christ was the messiah of the god of the OT, nor do I believe he died for my sins or that he was born of a virgin. Hence, overwhelming majority of Christians do not consider me a Christian and hence, why would I go on a Christian board?

I am not intrested in what they have to say, hence, unlike some anti-theists, I avoid them...why don't you read some history, and you might find out why a Gnostic like myself might want to steer the mainstream Christians a wide birth: Albigensian Crusade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The rest of your mesage was just the usual "blah blah blah" that does not apply to me (I do not believe in hell, believe that god does not work in mysterious ways but simply hates us all and hence all the evil in the world, I believe in DNA, fossils ect. prove that evolution happened and I 100% believe in evolution) nor does it apply to a great many RELIGIONS (Toaist, Buddhist, pagans, Deists, Unitarians, Hindues etc) that one might find on a RELIGION board.