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Old 08-06-2019, 04:10 PM
 
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The proves, that confirme that Jesus(PUH) was human and Prophet is more and more than He was "GOD"

*1* the Born of God (Jesus PUH)!
Ro 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh

*2* God (Jesus PUH) from David race !
Ac 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

*3* Sex of God (Jesus PUH) !
Lu 2:21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

*4* God (Jesus PUH) suck the breast of woman !
Lu 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.

*5* God (Jesus PUH) occupation was a carpenter !
Mr 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him

*6* God (Jesus PUH) drunk !
Mt 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

*7* God (Jesus PUH) was poor !
Mt 8:20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

*8* GOD (Jesus PUH) prayed his GOD !
Mt 8:20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

*9* God faithful to Caesar and He(Jesus PUH) was paying the tax to Caesar !
Mt 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.

*10* God family !
Mt 13:54. And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?
55 Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

*11* His parent took him to Jerusalem when He had 12 years old !
Lu 2:41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.
42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.

*12* God (Jesus PUH) ignore the time of the end of this life !
Mr 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.


*13* God (Jesus PUH) ignore the season !
Mr 11:12 ¶ And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry:
13 And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet.

*14* God (Jesus PUH) learned the obedience by his suffered !
Heb 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;


*15* The Satan tested the GOD (Jesus PUH) for 40 days !
Mr 1:13 And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.
Lu 4:13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.

*16*God (Jesus PUH) confession and repented by John !
Mt 3:13 ¶ Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

*17*God (Jesus PUH) was racism "Jewish" !
Re 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
Mt 10:5 ¶ These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

*18*God (Jesus PUH) came only for the Jews !
Mt 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

*19*God called the people who was not Jewish dogs !
Mt 10:5 ¶ These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

*20* Nicknames of the GOD (Jesus PUH) !
king of the Jews, King of Israel

*21* God (Jesus PUH) hungry !
Lu 4:2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.

*22* God (Jesus PUH) thirsty !
Joh 19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

*23* God (Jesus PUH) slept !
Mt 8:24 And, behold, there arose a great tempest in the sea, insomuch that the ship was covered with the waves: but he was asleep.

*24* God (Jesus PUH) tired !
Joh 4:6 Now Jacob’s well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour.

*25* God (Jesus PUH) wept !
Joh 11:35 Jesus wept.

*26* God (Jesus PUH) sorrowful !
Mt26:37 And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy.
Mr 14:33 And he taketh with him Peter and James and John, and began to be sore amazed, and to be very heavy;

*27* God (Jesus PUH) was weak !
Lu 22:43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.

*28* God (Jesus PUH)was for war not for peace !
Mt 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

*29* God (Jesus PUH)far away from the Jews (fear) !
Joh 7:1 ¶ After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.

*30* the Jews fear the God (Jesus PUH)!
Joh 11:54 Jesus therefore walked no more openly among the Jews; but went thence unto a country near to the wilderness, into a city called Ephraim, and there continued with his disciples.

*31* God (Jesus PUH)escaped from the Jews !
Joh 10:39 ¶ Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

*32* Judas best friend of God (Jesus PUH) cheated him !
Joh 18:2 And Judas also, which betrayed him, knew the place: for Jesus ofttimes resorted thither with his disciples.
3 Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons.

*33* God (Jesus PUH)arrested and bounded !
Joh 18:12 Then the band and the captain and officers of the Jews took Jesus, and bound him,

*34*God (Jesus PUH) mocked !
Lu 22:63 ¶ And the men that held Jesus mocked him, and smote him.
64 And when they had blindfolded him, they struck him on the face, and asked him, saying, Prophesy, who is it that smote thee?
Mt 26:67 Then did they spit in his face, and buffeted him; and others smote him with the palms of their hands,

*35*God (Jesus PUH)asked someone why you hit me ? !
Joh 18:23 Jesus answered him, If I have spoken evil, bear witness of the evil: but if well, why smitest thou me?

*36*God (Jesus PUH)guilty of death !
Mt 26:66 What think ye? They answered and said, He is guilty of death.
Mr 14:64 Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.

*37* God (Jesus PUH)led like the sheep !
Ac 8:32 The place of the scripture which he read was this,
He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:

*38* the end of God (Jesus PUH)cried then died !
Mt 27:50 ¶ Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
Mr 15:37 And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.



the Bible confirmed that Jesus was a Prophet !!!!!!

*1* The new testament said that Jesus (PUH) sat at the right of his GOD in the Heaven !
Mr 16:19 ¶ So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

this verse of Bible told that we have two person , GOD and Jesus (PUH) ... they were not the same one !

*2* Did you ever hear about God asking the help from anther God !???
Mt 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice,
saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Jesus (PUH) cried ! to him self ! No of course ! to his God and the verse very clear to understand

* how become Jesus (PUH) God ??? God created him and his mother ???
in the past was a christains Group believe that Mary also a God ... they believed that God " the father " and Mary and Jesus (PUH) was trinity
the chruch was fought them and deny them ! ....
and if Jesus (PUH) was God what the position of His brothers ... they are also GOD ... and then we can have a family of GODS

*3* and if Jesus (PUH) was God also Moses was God ... and there is a clear verse prove that Moses was GOD also
Ex 7:1 ¶ And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
If Moses was not a God why you make Jesus a GOD

*4* The Bible confirmed that the ministers of the Jews were GODS also !
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?


*5* Mt23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

This verse Jesus (PUH) manifest that there is one God , and Jesus (PUH) was one his messengers to the Jews

*6* Mt 27:37 And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS Jesus THE KING OF THE JEWS.
Mt 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

God only for the Jews !
if we suppose that Jesus (PUH) was God ... it's not fair that He made him self for the jews only
how a God special for one kind of people " the jews" ...and the rest of the human what is their GOD !

* GOD obey another GOD .... all the gospels proved that Jesus (PUH) was prayed his God and fasted for him ! ...for who was prayed and fasted ...for him self ...impossible

* the miracles whose had been given to Moses (PUH) more and more than Jesus (PUH)

*7* Martha told Jesus (PUH) that she know well that if He (Jesus puh) ask the God , God will give him what he want !
Joh 11:21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.
22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.

*8* Jesus (PUH) thanks the GOD (his GOD)
Joh 11:41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.

*9* Jesus (PUH) was not the only one who back the life for the death man
Moses, and many prophets back the life for the deaths and the new testement confirme that Peter back the life for a death woman ! called Eutychus
Ac 9:40 But Peter put them all forth, and kneeled down, and prayed; and turning him to the body said, Tabitha, arise. And she opened her eyes: and when she saw Peter, she sat up.
41 And he gave her his hand, and lifted her up, and when he had called the saints and widows, presented her alive.

*10* The students of Jesus (PUH) attestation that Jesus (PUH) was a Prophet !
Mt 21:11 And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.

*12* The people of his town confirmed and attested that Jesus (PUH) was a Prophet "as the others Prophets sent from GOD"
Mt 21:45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
46 But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.

*13* Before his rise .... Jesus (PUH) met Luke , and Luke called him Prophet !(Notice that Luke did not called him My GOD)
Lu 24:18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:

Notice that Jesus (PUD) did angry when they called him Prophet !, and He (Jesus PUH) did not told them don't call me Prophet called me GOD !
and this is a twice confirmation and attestation from his student and Jesus (puh) that He was a Prophet

*14* After the death of Jesus (PUH) and after his rise ... his students continuous to tell the people that God give the miracles to Jesus !
Ac 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

*15* Paul confirmed that Jesus was a mediator (Prophet) between the God and men , and God is one , and Jesus only his mediator ! and this a great prove that Jesus was only Prophet from the God as

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

*16* the Authors (modifiers) forgot to modify or delete this verse from the Bible

Mr 1:4 ¶ Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Jesus order his people (the jews ) to believe in his Gospel ....it's mean that the Gospel was existed in his age !!!!!
but unfortunately the Authors "John,Mark,Matthew,Luke" (modifiers) forgot to modify/delete this verse from the Bible


NOTES :

1- Nino at the Christians is an Idol represent "Jesus" ... did the pray and obey of the Idols return ????
God fought the polytheism by sending his Prophet to us to obey and pray his alone ! then you return to the age of Polytheism

2-Jesus came after Moses (less then 200 hundreds years ) ....
God sent Moses to pharaoh ... because Pharaoh presented him self to his people that he is the GOD !
and his people prayed him and obeyed him(human) as God (human/God version )
as You believe exactly in Jesus Human/God version....
Moses (PUH) never saw Jesus (PUH) of course .... but the question if we suppose that Moses (PUH)
was in the age of Jesus (PUH) and heard about a man his people prayed him and obey him as GOD
what he (Moses PUH) would say??? .... I know what he would say .
He (Moses PUH) would say:" Another Pharaoh appearance to us or what " !??? because Moses (PUH)
confirm to world there is not HUMAN GOD (Pharaoh) .... and there is one GOD

3- Jesus (PUH) prayed his GOD , and you prayed Jesus (PUH) ???!
don't told me that Jesus was pray and obey to him self !
Why you don't pray God as Jesus was !
simply Jesus did not order any one to obey him or pray him ... He order to pray and obey his GOD !
why you obey and pray Jesus ????

4-We (the Muslims) believe that all the Gospels don't belong to Jesus (PUH) as you believe ...it's belong to persons never saw Jesus (PUH) at his life .. on contrary Paul was one of his enemies ...
actually God sent to Jesus the Bible (new testament) ...but his followers modified it ...
between 70 AD and 180 AD after the rise of Jesus (PUH)
we are in front of the mass proves ..... and every one is free as God said in the Quran
the translation of Quran
18:29. And say, `It is the truth from your Lord; wherefore let him who will, believe, and let him, who will, disbelieve.' Verily, WE have prepared for the wrongdoers a fire whose flaming canopy shall enclose them. And if they cry for help, they will be helped with water like molten lead which would scale their faces. How dreadful the drink and how evil the resting place !
18:103 Say: Shall We inform you who will be the greatest losers by their works?Those whose effort goeth astray in the life of the world, and yet they reckon that they do good work.
29:43. And these are similitudes which WE set forth for mankind, but only those understand them who have knowledge.
54:17. And indeed, WE have made the Qur'an easy to remember. Is there anyone who would take heed ?
2:267.Thus does ALLAH makes HIS Signs clear to you that you may reflect.
2:256. There is no compulsion in religion. Surely the right has become distinct from error; so whosoever refuses to be led by those who transgress and believes in ALLAH, has surely grasped a strong handle which knows no breaking. And ALLAH is All-Hearing. All-Knowing.

5- We the Muslims believe that God sent his messengers to obey him alone , and Jesus one of his messengers ..not his partner or GOD
the most important Question is :
what is the GOD before Jesus (PUH) ???! The Father "GOD" and Holy spirit ???! the old Testament (Torah) said that there is one GOD and Holy spirit is great angel created by GOD !
First, the Holy Scriptures are God's Books. They precede the Qur'an which mentions them often and emphasize that they contain God's guidance for mankind:

At Al Imran (3):3,4 NJD note the following: "He has revealed to you the Book with the truth confirming the Scriptures which preceded it; for He has already revealed the Torah and the Gospel (Injil) for the guidance of men."

At Al Nisa (4):163 we note the following: "To David We gave the Psalms."

Also the Qur'an encourages going back to God's Books," If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee."-Yunus (10):94

Those who are true Christians are not racist:

Racism:

Jesus was not racist. In Matthew 10:15,16 he had his twelve apostles focus on Jewish villages first because it was not yet time nor place to expand the "Good news of God's Kingdom." We see he did not forbid reaching out to Samaritans by way of his own actions. Read Luke 10:29-37 where he said Jews should consider Samaritans as neighbors. Read Luke 17:11-19 where out of ten men whom he healed Jesus commended the only one who showed gratitude. Who was that? the Samaritan. He also preached to a Samaritan WOMEN at John 4:4-43. This was at a time that women were treated as second class citizens.Even today they are treated as second class citizens but not by Jesus. Also Jesus instructed his followers that it was now the time to preach to not only Jews, but Samaritans and Gentiles
" But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.”-Acts 1:8

"At this Peter began to speak, and he said: “Now I truly understand that God is not partial, 35 but in every nation the man who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him." -Acts 10:34,35

"And he made out of one man every nation of men to dwell on the entire surface of the earth, and he decreed the appointed times and the set limits of where men would dwell,."-Acts 17:26

The Torah teaches the same God that gave life to you is the same God who gave life to me because all men today come from the sons of Noah:

"Noah’s sons who came out of the ark were Shem, Ham, and Jaʹpheth. Ham later became the father of Caʹnaan. 19 These three were Noah’s sons, and all the earth’s population came from them and spread abroad."-Genesis 9:18

Jesus himself has said he is not the Almighty God and there are millions of Christians who know this:

"The Father is greater than I."-John 14:28

"I am ascending to my Father and your Father; my God and your God."-John 20:17,18

"It is the Lord your God whom you must worship and it is to him alone you must render sacred service."-Matthew 4:10

Christ teachings are based on love. He taught that God's requirements are based on two things:

"You must love God with your whole heart, with your whole soul and with your whole mind You must love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments the whole Law hangs and the prophets."
-Matthew 22:37-40
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Old 08-07-2019, 03:14 PM
 
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Promise fell from Abraham to Isaac, and then it fell to Jacob, and then to Judah. Judah is that tree, Israel is that tree where Gentiles can be grafted as a branch to Israel, and that is what the first Christians did, they became Israel, and Messiah only has a covenant for Judah and Ephraim, Gentiles came under the promise to the lost ten tribes of Ephraim, but that was 2000 years ago, and since then, no Gentiles were grafted into the covenant of Jesus because they would not convert and become one with the chosen people, they stopped being grafted and adopted 2000 years ago. But then, Christians don't care what the actual covenant says, they just make up their own, one that does not exist.
So Abraham and Moses are in hell as per modern day Christian doctrine?
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So Abraham and Moses are in hell as per modern day Christian doctrine?
Not necessarily. I get assured, from time to time, by Christian apologists, that nobody can count on being Saved - it's up to God. He can save anyone he wants, and damn anyone he wants. And who are we to Question him, eh? No, All you can do is grovel till your knees bleed, Fear hell until your hair falls out and hope for the best.
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So Abraham and Moses are in hell as per modern-day Christian doctrine?
NOBODY is in Hell and no one will be because it does NOT exist.
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Old 08-08-2019, 12:37 AM
 
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So Abraham and Moses are in hell as per modern day Christian doctrine?
Every sctipture of hell refers to the outer court, and there is still salvation in the outer court, and every scripture of hell concerns the outcome of the feast of Tabernacles.

Christians are always speaking of idioms and sayings about the temple and the feasts, but they don't know anything about the feasts or the temple, and so hell seems real to them, but it certainly isn't.

If Jesus sits on his throne to separate the goat and the sheep, this isn't speaking of the wicked and the righteous, it is speaking about a single person, and this is where Christians get confused about a religion they don't know or practice.
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John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

GodSworD is living. Yeshua prayed or spoke GodSworD. The Holy Spirit is within us and we each individually are gods but God of Israel is GOD of all gods. We are made in His image. Yeshua prayed to Almighty God directly. We pray to Yehovah in Yeshua's name but Yeshua (Jesus) prayed directly to God (ultimate all knowing ALMIGHTY CREATOR)
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So far we have seen the responses to to OP's post (Islam is as able to point out that much of the Jesus story argues for Jesus Not being God) being little more than mindless Preaching. With Mystic posting Plonking assertions that he apparently expects to be be accepted without question. It at least shows that Faith -based belief is impervious to reasoned argument.
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So far we have seen the responses to to OP's post (Islam is as able to point out that much of the Jesus story argues for Jesus Not being God) being little more than mindless Preaching. With Mystic posting Plonking assertions that he apparently expects to be be accepted without question. It at least shows that Faith -based belief is impervious to reasoned argument.
I find it both fascinating and tragic that people are so set in their belief systems with no evidence whatsoever, but they refuse to listen to any sound logic or evidence. All that they do is talk past each other.

There are a hundred different experts about Jesus, none of whom have actually considered checking with those that follow his and his follower's teachings in the Scriptures.
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I find it both fascinating and tragic that people are so set in their belief systems with no evidence whatsoever, but they refuse to listen to any sound logic or evidence. All that they do is talk past each other.

There are a hundred different experts about Jesus, none of whom have actually considered checking with those that follow his and his follower's teachings in the Scriptures.
So you have evidence that the Biblical scriptures are factually true, and report actual events? You have evidence that Jesus Christ actually existed and was the incarnate son/third entity of God? You have evidence that God exists?
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I find it both fascinating and tragic that people are so set in their belief systems with no evidence whatsoever, but they refuse to listen to any sound logic or evidence. All that they do is talk past each other.

There are a hundred different experts about Jesus, none of whom have actually considered checking with those that follow his and his follower's teachings in the Scriptures.
There's probably a good reason why they don't bother asking those with an inbuilt bias for accepting whatever the Bible says without question. Subject, of course with it agreeing with what they personally agree with.
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