Jesus PUH praied and obeyed and fast to his God , and the christians obeying and praying to Jesus !!!! (church, Baptist)
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Promise fell from Abraham to Isaac, and then it fell to Jacob, and then to Judah. Judah is that tree, Israel is that tree where Gentiles can be grafted as a branch to Israel, and that is what the first Christians did, they became Israel, and Messiah only has a covenant for Judah and Ephraim, Gentiles came under the promise to the lost ten tribes of Ephraim, but that was 2000 years ago, and since then, no Gentiles were grafted into the covenant of Jesus because they would not convert and become one with the chosen people, they stopped being grafted and adopted 2000 years ago. But then, Christians don't care what the actual covenant says, they just make up their own, one that does not exist.
So Abraham and Moses are in hell as per modern day Christian doctrine?
So Abraham and Moses are in hell as per modern day Christian doctrine?
Not necessarily. I get assured, from time to time, by Christian apologists, that nobody can count on being Saved - it's up to God. He can save anyone he wants, and damn anyone he wants. And who are we to Question him, eh? No, All you can do is grovel till your knees bleed, Fear hell until your hair falls out and hope for the best.
So Abraham and Moses are in hell as per modern day Christian doctrine?
Every sctipture of hell refers to the outer court, and there is still salvation in the outer court, and every scripture of hell concerns the outcome of the feast of Tabernacles.
Christians are always speaking of idioms and sayings about the temple and the feasts, but they don't know anything about the feasts or the temple, and so hell seems real to them, but it certainly isn't.
If Jesus sits on his throne to separate the goat and the sheep, this isn't speaking of the wicked and the righteous, it is speaking about a single person, and this is where Christians get confused about a religion they don't know or practice.
John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
GodSworD is living. Yeshua prayed or spoke GodSworD. The Holy Spirit is within us and we each individually are gods but God of Israel is GOD of all gods. We are made in His image. Yeshua prayed to Almighty God directly. We pray to Yehovah in Yeshua's name but Yeshua (Jesus) prayed directly to God (ultimate all knowing ALMIGHTY CREATOR)
So far we have seen the responses to to OP's post (Islam is as able to point out that much of the Jesus story argues for Jesus Not being God) being little more than mindless Preaching. With Mystic posting Plonking assertions that he apparently expects to be be accepted without question. It at least shows that Faith -based belief is impervious to reasoned argument.
So far we have seen the responses to to OP's post (Islam is as able to point out that much of the Jesus story argues for Jesus Not being God) being little more than mindless Preaching. With Mystic posting Plonking assertions that he apparently expects to be be accepted without question. It at least shows that Faith -based belief is impervious to reasoned argument.
I find it both fascinating and tragic that people are so set in their belief systems with no evidence whatsoever, but they refuse to listen to any sound logic or evidence. All that they do is talk past each other.
There are a hundred different experts about Jesus, none of whom have actually considered checking with those that follow his and his follower's teachings in the Scriptures.
I find it both fascinating and tragic that people are so set in their belief systems with no evidence whatsoever, but they refuse to listen to any sound logic or evidence. All that they do is talk past each other.
There are a hundred different experts about Jesus, none of whom have actually considered checking with those that follow his and his follower's teachings in the Scriptures.
So you have evidence that the Biblical scriptures are factually true, and report actual events? You have evidence that Jesus Christ actually existed and was the incarnate son/third entity of God? You have evidence that God exists?
I find it both fascinating and tragic that people are so set in their belief systems with no evidence whatsoever, but they refuse to listen to any sound logic or evidence. All that they do is talk past each other.
There are a hundred different experts about Jesus, none of whom have actually considered checking with those that follow his and his follower's teachings in the Scriptures.
There's probably a good reason why they don't bother asking those with an inbuilt bias for accepting whatever the Bible says without question. Subject, of course with it agreeing with what they personally agree with.
I grew up in a Catholic church. I am ashamed to admit that as a child I regret going and didn't get the sermon. I did not get it ... until I attended a Protestant and a Baptist Church. I felt the breakdown of scripture helped me understand GodSworD. I went through a lot being abandoned by some family, husband and friends. I had a nervous breakdown almost but whenever I called on Yeshua (Jesus) I was comforted. I'd cry out for God of Israel in Yeshua's name and He'd comfort me in every way many times miraculous.
My heart aches for each and every human om this medium whom questions or does not believe in God. This world run by evil men is satan's - the only way to overcome satan is with God's light obtained through believing. Spend time reading a study Bible and anything you don't understand search for an abse after you pray ... God is real people. I would be dead without Him
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