U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 1.5 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Jump to a detailed profile or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Business Search - 14 Million verified businesses
Search for:  near: 
Reply
 
Unread 11-27-2009, 11:49 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles-213.323.310.818/San Diego-619.858.760
707 posts, read 1,947,155 times
Reputation: 404
I used to believe there had to be a TRUE purpose for our existence and therefore an afterlife was certain but after studying biology and observing organisms and animals...I thought to myself

"Why do we humans think we're so special that we get to live after death but what about all the other living organisms that have life just like us?"

I mean...animals have emotions...have fear, share love, give friendship, even cry at times...what happens to them?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Unread 11-28-2009, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Southern California
1,259 posts, read 684,281 times
Reputation: 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by SurekRZA View Post
I used to believe there had to be a TRUE purpose for our existence and therefore an afterlife was certain but after studying biology and observing organisms and animals...I thought to myself

"Why do we humans think we're so special that we get to live after death but what about all the other living organisms that have life just like us?"

I mean...animals have emotions...have fear, share love, give friendship, even cry at times...what happens to them?
We have something animals and other living organisms don't have.

A soul.

Everything goes back into the universe, except us. We move to the next world, the spirit world.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Unread 11-28-2009, 11:08 AM
 
Location: SE Florida
393 posts, read 417,014 times
Reputation: 419
I believe that all life and objects in the universe contain energy. This is not disputable, really. Even black matter, AKA God particles, smaller then atoms, contain energy. Something world wide governments and world leading scientists are researching right now. I believe life, in of itself, absent human flesh and body, is also energy. Energy does not cease, it transforms. To what? We will have to wait and see, but it remains. Can conscious energy remain intact upon death? That which makes us who we are? I believe it can and does.

It you look closely under certain lighting conditions, or using magnetic energy sensors, you can see the "halo" of energy radiating out of living beings, specifically humans. This is not the same as infra-red heat energy, but an unknown, composition of particles released from humans that stays contained in and around the head area of all humans. Many argue, this is the spirit The energy is well documented and to date unexplainable, as to both why it is there and how it stays attached to its host, not drifting off.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Unread 11-28-2009, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles-213.323.310.818/San Diego-619.858.760
707 posts, read 1,947,155 times
Reputation: 404
Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCalAngel2009 View Post
We have something animals and other living organisms don't have.

A soul.

Everything goes back into the universe, except us. We move to the next world, the spirit world.
Proof? evidence?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Unread 11-28-2009, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
11,602 posts, read 5,894,863 times
Reputation: 3497
Yes, I believe in life after death. I also believe in life before birth. But no, I don't believe in reincarnation. I believe that each of us is an eternal being, and eternity extends both forwards and backwards. I believe I am essentially the same individual now as I was prior to being born, and that I will be the same individual after I die. I have a spirit which currently resides within my physical body, but there is nothing that can cause that spirit to cease to exist.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Unread 11-28-2009, 10:57 PM
 
Location: Metromess
11,807 posts, read 10,508,354 times
Reputation: 4622
How do you explain, considering the huge population increase in the last hundred years, where all of those new four+ billion "souls" came from? Where were they before there were bodies for them to inhabit?

When the human body dies, that's the end of it. The electrochemical mechanism which makes consciousness possible and creates the "aura" seen in Kirlian photography (and by mystics) is nonfunctional after death.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Unread 11-28-2009, 11:06 PM
 
16,741 posts, read 6,587,611 times
Reputation: 2886
Quote:
Originally Posted by catman View Post
When the human body dies, that's the end of it. The electrochemical mechanism which makes consciousness possible and creates the "aura" seen in Kirlian photography (and by mystics) is nonfunctional after death.
Not exactly. What we see is like the "flame" of a fire. It only seems to disappear once the combustion stops and the fire goes out. But the "flames" that were already produced still exist in the universe at large as electromagnetic radiation (light and infra-red) that have varied "fates." So too is it with the "flames of consciousness."
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Unread 12-06-2009, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Southern California
1,259 posts, read 684,281 times
Reputation: 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by SurekRZA View Post
Proof? evidence?
Here is a description of what happens when we die:

Quote:
Helen Padgett:

When I commenced to leave the body there was no pain or suffering, only a feeling that I was rising out of it. No darkness appeared to me, and I saw my body lying there as if it were asleep. I did not try to hold it, but thought that it was merely taking a rest, and that as soon as it felt refreshed I would enter it again and continue to live as before. I did not wait for it to awaken, but continued to arise until, as I told you, your mother clasped me in her arms--she was my own dear mother as well as yours.

I did not know that I was dying, but felt that something unusual was happening; and I was not afraid. As I always in life dreaded death, as you know, the strange thing to me was, that I did not look upon death as dying. It was only a pleasant dreamy feeling, and I only thought that I was going to become absent from my body until it was refreshed. My thoughts were not of death at all. I had been suffering pain but I thought that I was getting well and the feeling of relief that came over me was the result of my getting better.

As my spirit arose, I thought only of my condition and how soon I would be able to return home and see my friends. No other thoughts came to me--not even my love for God, or the fact that I was not in condition as regards my soul, to meet my Maker, as I had been taught. There was absolutely no fear of what might happen to me, or that I would soon be called upon to account for the sins I had committed. Just before my spirit left my body I was unconscious, but just as soon as the separation commenced I became fully conscious, and knew everything that took place and did not feel at all as if I were in danger or needed the help of anyone. I did not stay with my body at all, when I commenced to leave it, but continued to rise, as I have told you until your mother met me. So you see death, which I so much feared, was not such a dreadful thing to experience.

http://celestialvisionproductions.com/Helen10.html (broken link)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Unread 12-06-2009, 10:09 PM
 
26 posts, read 12,660 times
Reputation: 17
I highly doubt it. We probably just blink out of existence...much like before we were born.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Unread 12-07-2009, 02:02 AM
 
Location: China
944 posts, read 738,474 times
Reputation: 628
There is lots of proof of something after death actually. Take a look at Kirlian photography which shows the life energy of things, various spirit effects such as poltergeists, psychokenesis, etc.

Even plants have been shown to have feelings/responses when threatened with burning. Some people have developed biofeedback machines that turn changes in energy in a plant into sound which is quite interesting. Mother rabbits have been found to be aware of (have a reaction) their offspring being threatened or hurt many miles from where they are in the lab.

Even using things like pendulums can show you that the physical world is made up of energy. Distance and time is no barrier to this kind of energy. I cannot convince anyone of this, but it is something I know because I have experienced it. (not death, but some of the other stuff)

There are people who have died and have experienced clinical death and then come back. They can repeat what has happened to their body ater they are dead. I realise someone said thay had seen a lot of deaths but obviously not this kind.

There are books and books about children who have "lived before" and know people and places that they cannot possibly know. The buddhists used to choose their Dalai Lama by getting the potential candidate to choose from previous DL's belongings.

Basically there is a lot of 'proof' if you want to investigate into this kind of thing, but you will not find it in orthodox religions as it often does not tally with their teachings and so is suppressed by them.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $53,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $47,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:54 AM.

© 2005-2013, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24 - Top