Top Catholic Cardinal: "Gays won't go to heaven" (atheism, bible)

[sanspeur]

It's a better source than most I've seen linked to on this forum...All one has to do to verify info on wiki is check the references on the bottom of the page...Nothing at all wrong with using Wiki if one verifies in this manner...

[Thomas R.]

I have been a Wikipedian for about four years. Much of the sourcing they use for cultural matters is activist groups in one direction or other. It's good at times, but very uneven as is to be expected.

[sanspeur]

Originally Posted by Thomas R.

I have been a Wikipedian for about four years. Much of the sourcing they use for cultural matters is activist groups in one direction or other. It's good at times, but very uneven as is to be expected.

One has to be discerning on the web no matter what...Bogus, and opinion sites outnumber legit sites by a large margin.

[Thomas R.]

Originally Posted by sanspeur

One has to be discerning on the web no matter what...Bogus, and opinion sites outnumber legit sites by a large margin.

Tell me about it, good point.

[cncracer]

Originally Posted by sanspeur

One has to be discerning on the web no matter what...Bogus, and opinion sites outnumber legit sites by a large margin.

Not only the Web, but also the main stream press twist their news beyond the breaking point. I have come to think the larger networks and the larger news paper agencies don’t know the meaning of truth.

[look3467]

There are something’s to be taken into consideration.

• There are two distinct places
• a. Heaven = place where God resides

b. Earth = where mankind in the flesh reside.
The marriage of heaven and earth was in the creation of mankind lost.

Lost: as a first creative work of God.
Purpose: was to created individual entities, souls, and independent yet dependent upon its creator.

The part of independence verses the dependence of our individuality is what has to be worked out, but not yet, or say not before God Himself provides the conditions by which that will take place.

“That which was lost” Ref: Luk 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

“To seek and to save”…….”that which was lost” is mankind as a whole.

Provision was made by God Himself in the form of one like us, a “son of man” yet the “Son of God” with all power and might to save that which was lost.

That would take care of # 1, above.

# 2 above, becomes our responsibility given #1 above is taken care of by God.

Number 2, then is what we have to regulate if we are as a society going to prosper spiritually.

Blessings, AJ

[PurpleLove08]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Of course not, no cardinal can speak for all churches. However this cardinal has chosen to speak for the Roman Church and be the voice of its intolerance.



When can we expect quotes of condemnation for those who are fat, eat lobster, wear mixed fibers?



The Roman Church believes that homosexual activity is a forgiveable sin, does that mean that the priests who raped the little boys and didn't seek forgiveness but instead took off and hid behind a wall of denial are going to hell as well?

Now you know we won't ever heart that but it sure would be nice.

I would love for the preachers in AR to rail against obesity considering so many overweight Christians we have around here.

Of course it's much more convenient (and profitable) to rail against gays and lesbians than look at the transgressions of your flock of sheep.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by sanspeur

I guess that means that he thinks a good percentage of priests and nuns won't make the grade...

Indeed, it does mean that the homosexual catholic priests won't make it. That is a biblical truth. Homosexuals won't make it, and it doesn't matter what their profession was, a lawyer or priest. A sinner is a sinner, and they will not see kingdom of God.

[Thomas R.]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

Indeed, it does mean that the homosexual catholic priests won't make it. That is a biblical truth. Homosexuals won't make it, and it doesn't matter what their profession was, a lawyer or priest. A sinner is a sinner, and they will not see kingdom of God.

Being a homosexual is no more a sin than being an alcoholic. It's the action that's sinful. The Catholic Church expects/hopes for chastity among homosexual Catholics. It doesn't create a class of people irredeemable and unforgivable by their very nature. As I understand it even homosexuals currently sexually active may seek forgiveness, become chaste, devote themselves to God, and then go to Heaven.

As the Cardinal seemed to hint at otherwise, or left himself open to such a false interpretation, he was chastised a bit.

Granted it might be different in your church, but if we're talking a Cardinal we're talking a Catholic.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by Thomas R.

Being a homosexual is no more a sin than being an alcoholic. It's the action that's sinful. The Catholic Church expects/hopes for chastity among homosexual Catholics. It doesn't create a class of people irredeemable and unforgivable by their very nature. As I understand it even homosexuals currently sexually active may seek forgiveness, become chaste, devote themselves to God, and then go to Heaven.

Yes, they can seek forgiveness, and abandon homosexual acts, and they will be saved. But you cannot fool god by asking for forgiveness with plans to continue homosexual acts in the future. It doesn't work that way. You can't plan to continue to live in habitual sin and think you are saved. Many catholics think they can do whatever they want on weekdays as long as they stop by the church to ask for forgiveness on Sundays. Nope, that won't work. Such people are referred to as hypocrites in the Bible. And the Bible also talks about the corrupt priests they had even in ancient times, and the Bible makes it clear they will not inherit the kingdom of God.