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Old 02-02-2010, 04:04 PM
 
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I'm in. I think that morality is better explained as human behaviour, part evolved instinct, part tradition and part reasoned. It does not stack up as a God - implanted moral compass.
...just people...perfect...
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Old 02-02-2010, 06:54 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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...just people...perfect...
Indeed, or perhaps just people...imperfect.

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Old 02-03-2010, 08:22 AM
 
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Indeed, or perhaps just people...imperfect.
Yes indeed.
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Old 02-03-2010, 11:54 AM
 
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I would have to address this MORAL CODE?
What is best for Life as a HUMAN?...for we are talking about Human existance, not culture!

Air
Water
Food
and spiritual milk.
In the reality called Earth..a Planet in a system, within a system, with in a unknown system...

How should we behave?

According to Scripture God seems to want us to follow 11 commandments, and one instruction out of the Genesis which has ties to the planets welfare, the wild lifes welfare, and human welfare in check....Till the soils, Sow the seeds, and care for the life Given....
A simple message of some regards as being honestly truthful...if we do it sinlessly, this God will provide abundantly...and reside over the lands...and protect the life with in the sanctity of the sinlessness!

So...what would be best to honour...in a moral sense of the word?

Keep the Air clean!
Keep the waters pure!
Sow Good seed, and till in the compost to the soils...do it sinlessly...
And everything else comes into play!....Share...and spread that Moral code not only onto human estates, but all life....Then they help us, and we help God...ah ha The Kingdom...on Earth...Sharing and caring for all life....and keeping it ....
Here is where God helps us...by us keeping things clean and in good care...he can then take the good we help...and take that to a new place to make more places from our handyworks.

He may even take one or more of us...to be helpers in the new places...

Moral code?
Human code?

God's Code....it is the best solution for all life...a selfless code for God is a God of life...

Now some will say there is not god, and hence there is no code...
And we now have polluted Air, Water, and soils...along with tainted foods, making us sick..so we pay more and more to live in a system which denies the code, and the God, and the commandments, covenants, and prescepts of a way of life...that has the best code...and all the people in the system support or work for the demigod told not to make of engraven estates...

Yep polluting and destroying the Earth...for MONEY!

And We can see that very clearly through the smog!

Morality?
Code of conduct?

Yah...right!
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Old 02-03-2010, 02:39 PM
 
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I would have to address this MORAL CODE?
What is best for Life as a HUMAN?...for we are talking about Human existance, not culture!

Air
Water
Food
and spiritual milk.
In the reality called Earth..a Planet in a system, within a system, with in a unknown system...

How should we behave?

According to Scripture God seems to want us to follow 11 commandments, and one instruction out of the Genesis which has ties to the planets welfare, the wild lifes welfare, and human welfare in check....Till the soils, Sow the seeds, and care for the life Given....
A simple message of some regards as being honestly truthful...if we do it sinlessly, this God will provide abundantly...and reside over the lands...and protect the life with in the sanctity of the sinlessness!

So...what would be best to honour...in a moral sense of the word?

Keep the Air clean!
Keep the waters pure!
Sow Good seed, and till in the compost to the soils...do it sinlessly...
And everything else comes into play!....Share...and spread that Moral code not only onto human estates, but all life....Then they help us, and we help God...ah ha The Kingdom...on Earth...Sharing and caring for all life....and keeping it ....
Here is where God helps us...by us keeping things clean and in good care...he can then take the good we help...and take that to a new place to make more places from our handyworks.

He may even take one or more of us...to be helpers in the new places...

Moral code?
Human code?

God's Code....it is the best solution for all life...a selfless code for God is a God of life...

Now some will say there is not god, and hence there is no code...
And we now have polluted Air, Water, and soils...along with tainted foods, making us sick..so we pay more and more to live in a system which denies the code, and the God, and the commandments, covenants, and prescepts of a way of life...that has the best code...and all the people in the system support or work for the demigod told not to make of engraven estates...

Yep polluting and destroying the Earth...for MONEY!

And We can see that very clearly through the smog!

Morality?
Code of conduct?

Yah...right!
I really enjoy commentary that seems well thought out and has a logic that lends itself to a cohesive point. And this is even if I don't necessarily feel the same or draw the same conclusion(s). I think this was well written (thought provoking) with some passion included. That being said, I have a few questions...

Is the industrial complex / technolgical world we live in an extension / representation of a lack of morality? Were we supposed to stay simple, earnest farmers at this point in time? Is this pollution / global warming a divine issue or merely a natural one, if there is any difference between the two?
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Old 02-07-2010, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Boise
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Maybe this is hell.
I wouldn't really say that this is hell... I've been having a great time this last couple weeks.
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Old 02-08-2010, 12:16 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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I wouldn't really say that this is hell... I've been having a great time this last couple weeks.
Yes. If hell is no worse than this, I can live with it.
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Old 02-08-2010, 02:04 PM
 
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I don't know the origins of morals but I do know that it is NOT from the bible. Contrary to popular beliefs.
I couldn't disagree more. I think that all western societies derive their most fundamental moral precepts from the Bible. I just don't believe that the Bible is the word of a god.
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Old 02-19-2010, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Boise
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I couldn't disagree more. I think that all western societies derive their most fundamental moral precepts from the Bible. I just don't believe that the Bible is the word of a god.
I do think that a lot of western morals do come from the bible to an extent. But things like the last 7 of the 10 commandments are pretty much cultural universals. People like to give the bible credit for these morals, but really many (if not most) of these morals are things that people adhere to anyhow.
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Old 04-11-2010, 08:53 PM
 
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I'm gonna bump this up a bit.

I still haven't found much of an answer to my last question. I was hoping that I could hear from the religious crowd.

I'll try a shorter post this time as I assume that is the reason for the lack of input here. So those of you in the religious crowd: Given the sway away from many moral standards of biblical times... Have the moral changes to society since biblical times benefited us or have they taken us closer to hell?
Hi cleatis. I thought I would ring in a response although the thread is a few months old.

You wrote, " The very fact that long standing civilizations have such different moral codes is evidence that morals are a man made thing."

This is incorrect. The only thing this proves is that different civilizations have different moral codes or what they generally think is right or wrong. What they believe and practice does not automatically make it moral.

Morality either comes from God or man. If it comes from man, then each individual determines for himself what is right or wrong. Which in turn means there is no standard for right or wrong.

Let's use homosexuality as an example here. 100 years ago, this behavior was considered an abomination in the U.S. Now it is tolerated to a wide degree. Now, is homosexuality right because man says it is? Or is there an external law (God) that would prohibit it regardless of what man says?

If not, then why not accept adultery, incest or pedophilia as acceptable sexual behavior -- if man says it is right for them?

You wrote: "We all know that we shouldn't kill, rape or steal. In fact if these things went unchecked, communities and societies would collapse." I assume you are aware that there are people who believe it is a good thing for certain societies to "collapse" (I.e. -- nihilists, Nazis and Klan members). Yet you imply that this would be a bad thing. But the people in the aforementioned examples would say otherwise. Where do they derive their authority from? If man determines right from wrong, how can you make a rational argument against such "immoral" behaviors?
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