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Old 12-20-2009, 12:42 PM
 
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Then you should make clear that you believe God only speaks through one book.

I think it's important to do so if you are going to make judgments on the love and freedoms of others. Just be clear what the source is - a book that's been reintepreted and rewritten many times.

Perhaps you could call yourself something else, like a Bibleian!

Just make the distinction so as to not confuse the love of Christ with the political subjugation of a free people.
Yes, indeed. I will also add that it involves a spiritual subjugation, as well, since people such as the person you are responding to don't believe that Christ is wholly accessible simply because of how a person was born.
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Old 12-20-2009, 12:51 PM
 
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If it was only one reference to homosexuality in the bible, it could be taken out of context, but there are MANY references to it, and there is no room for mistranslation.
Actually all the references to homosexuality you believe exist in the Bible ARE the direct result of mistranslations. Sorry!

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Homosexuals can be saved just like any other sinner, but such lifestyle is incompatible with being a Christian. When saved, the lifestyle will have to be abandoned. In other words you can't be both. It is one or the other.
Interesting, considering the early church condoned and performed same sex marriages.
http://colfaxrecord.com/detail/91429.html (broken link)
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Old 12-20-2009, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Then you should make clear that you believe God only speaks through one book.
OK, let's make that clear: God speaks though only one book, The Holy Bible. If you believe in other books and/or beliefs, then you believe in some other religion.
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Old 12-20-2009, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Actually all the references to homosexuality you believe exist in the Bible ARE the direct result of mistranslations. Sorry!

Interesting, considering the early church condoned and performed same sex marriages.
When Same-Sex Marriage Was a Christian Rite - Colfax Record (http://colfaxrecord.com/detail/91429.html - broken link)
Early church may have, but the Bible certainly does not, and never has.
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Old 12-20-2009, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Early church may have, but the Bible certainly does not, and never has.
Your reliance on the bible is the problem....A book written by men long after the fact, misinterpreted, mistranslated and changed a kazillion times...You'd best throw that thing away because there is very little of value there.
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Old 12-20-2009, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Your reliance on the bible is the problem....A book written by men long after the fact, misinterpreted, mistranslated and changed a kazillion times...You'd best throw that thing away because there is very little of value there.
Unfortunatlly that is the ONLY book Christians rely on. There is no other book, so if you reject the Bible, you reject Christianity. It is as simple as that. There are no alternative books.
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Old 12-20-2009, 01:45 PM
 
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Unfortunatlly that is the ONLY book Christians rely on. There is no other book, so if you reject the Bible, you reject Christianity. It is as simple as that. There are no alternative books.
Why do you need a book? Can you not think for yourself? Many Christians have rejected the bible, why not you?
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Old 12-20-2009, 01:51 PM
 
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Unfortunatlly that is the ONLY book Christians rely on. There is no other book, so if you reject the Bible, you reject Christianity. It is as simple as that. There are no alternative books.
That's simply not true.

Whenever someone chooses to make definite statements like that, I'm always wary of their claims. In this particular case, my misgivings go beyond wariness into outright rejection of such a spurious, arrogant assertion.
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Old 12-20-2009, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Why do you need a book? Can you not think for yourself? Many Christians have rejected the bible, why not you?
There is no such thing as a Christian who has rejected the bible. Once you reject the Bible, you reject Christianity.
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Old 12-20-2009, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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That's simply not true.

Whenever someone chooses to make definite statements like that, I'm always wary of their claims. In this particular case, my misgivings go beyond wariness into outright rejection of such a spurious, arrogant assertion.
It is true. You can reject church and still be saved, but you cannot reject the Bible and still claim to be Christian. I am sorry, but you have been lied to if you think you can reject the word of God and still be a Christian.
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