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To be a Christian is to be Christ-like, to be like Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ would've supported universal health care and some socialist policies, because the policies are ways to help your fellow man, woman, and child.
You are so wrong. To be a true Christian you just need to accept Jesus, what you do with your life doesn't matter, as long as you read the bible and talk about him all the time, that's enough to be saved. He died for our sins so we are free to sin as long as we read the Bible and become true Christians. Voting for Sarah Palin does get you closer to the Lord too.
So ... you're basically saying you're willing to give money voluntarily on an individual basis to a poor person or charity, but you're not in favor of what the government is doing is basically taxing higher-paid people so that poorer people can have health insurance?
In any event, what you advocate is continual suffering by those who not only cannot afford health insurance but also is probably refused insurance because they have been sick? Wow.
Of course I don't trust the government to give money to the charities I find to be deserving. I trust myself to give money to the charities I want to support. I can direct my money to go where I want. Money sent to the government will end up, in many instances, in the hands of people and groups I strongly oppose (ACORN).
I'll say yes to both of them. Jesus Christ is about healing, savior, and making the world a better place. This is the opposite of corporate crony capitalism (ie. a ponzi scheme)(1) and starting wars for resources(2).
(1) Capitalism under Adam Smith was equal opportunity for exchange of products and services. Not so much today, not when so many services and industries are consolidated by a few.
(2) Please do not use the popular political lexicon "keeping USA safe" as euphemism for stealing other people's resources.
Here's why Jesus Christ is anti-war and a pacifist, he told his followers to turn the other cheek when somebody hits, the point, somebody has to be a pacifist instead of both parties escalating the tension. Another is live by the sword, die by the sword, this one is self-explanatory.
To be a Christian is to be Christ-like, to be like Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ would've supported universal health care and some socialist policies, because the policies are ways to help your fellow man, woman, and child.
Why is it that atheists always seem to inately know what Christ was thinking 2,000 years ago? I find it somewhat puzzling that they are interested in the intentions of a being, yet do not understand the implications of his words.
I believe when Jesus talked about "turn the other cheek" is was in reference to an insult.
Jesus was(is) no sissy.We he comes back he will have a sword at hand.
Well, no, that's not correct, but go ahead and keep believing whatever floats your boat, that's what most people do anyway.
Why trifle with facts in history? Oh, yes right, that would require learning which is so passe, since everyone already believes that they know everything.
I would say neither. Everyone will get what's coming to him/her/it for their own work. Jesus told Pilate that if his (Jesus') kingdom was of this earth his followers would fight.
I'll say yes to both of them. Jesus Christ is about healing, savior, and making the world a better place. This is the opposite of corporate crony capitalism (ie. a ponzi scheme)(1) and starting wars for resources(2).
Wrong on both counts.
Christ was sent to die for the sins of man, the perfect sacrifice. To understand this, you must study the Bible (obviously you haven't).
He was not about "making the world a better place". Do you think the world is a better place? There is just as much evil today.
Jesus healed those who demonstrated their faith in him (that he was LORD). He did this in part to demonstrate God's power, and also to prove that he was who he said he was.
God does not have a problem with capitalism (making a profit) or becoming wealthy. He honors work. Money is not the "root of all evil" as so many say (misquoting). It is the love of money.
To my knowledge, the U.S. has never started a "war for resources". We have our own, and we have plenty. We are just to stupid to develop our own in this "modern" age. We'd rather protect some rat, or mosquito. Meanwhile, the rest of the world develops their resource and sells them to us at a profit.
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(1) Capitalism under Adam Smith was equal opportunity for exchange of products and services. Not so much today, not when so many services and industries are consolidated by a few.
(2) Please do not use the popular political lexicon "keeping USA safe" as euphemism for stealing other people's resources.
Whose, and what resources have we stolen?
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Here's why Jesus Christ is anti-war and a pacifist, he told his followers to turn the other cheek when somebody hits, the point, somebody has to be a pacifist instead of both parties escalating the tension. Another is live by the sword, die by the sword, this one is self-explanatory.
You are incorrect in your interpretation of both of the above references.
"Turn the other cheek" is not a teaching against war or self defense. It is a teaching about attitude. We should not have a retaliatory attitude.
War is sometimes necessary. When it is, it is not wrong. We were never told to be "pacifists" (to not defend ourselves or our country). It is a common misconception that Christ preached against war.
The Old Testament is filled with stories about war and battles. Christ often quoted from the Old Testament scriptures, and God often sent his people to war.
We are expected to protect and defend ourselves and our country. It would be wrong not too. In fact it would be a sin not to protect your family, would it not?
If you really want to know what he meant, start doing some serious Bible study. But I have a feeling you aren't interested. You'd rather take those phrases out of context and apply the popular opinion as to it's meaning.
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To be a Christian is to be Christ-like, to be like Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ would've supported universal health care and some socialist policies, because the policies are ways to help your fellow man, woman, and child.
No, he wouldn't, because "universal health care" requires the theft of the wealth of some to be redistributed to others. This is not right, nor is it just, and therefore he would not have supported it (it's a ridiculous argument on it's face).
Charity is not what the government does. What the government does requires force. Charity is giving from the heart. Americans have always been the most charitable people in the world. Government theft of a persons wealth makes it more difficult for people to be charitable, and therefore hurts those who would benefit from charity.
Where in the Bible did he teach this? Reference, please.
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...caring for the sick, feeding the hungry, and helping people who genuinely want to work to do so.
Remember that when you're in at the gates of heaven, you'll be faced with Jesus and told to account for your sins. And Jesus won't be an idiot ... he will not only look at your individual actions but the actions of the people whom you chose to represent you.
Huhhh? Where do you find this?
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In a way, it has more force than your individual actions (unless you own a non-profit or charitable organization) because representatives hold the purse strings of our economy and have the ability to create change in social policy. And the way I see it, the Republicans have done the following:
1) Enlargened the military and used it to spread death and destruction in places where it really wasn't needed (Iraq anyone?)
The Constitution specifically says that it is one of the duties of the Federal Government to "provide for the common defense". For this we need a military.
Our military should be as strong and as well equiped as our technology can provide. We spend money on frivolous crap, when it should be spent on protecting our borders and defending us from enemy attack (9/11 anyone)?
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2) Cut funding to social programs to help those in needy, sending hundreds of thousands of students into disarray into how they can afford college, sending women who are battered back onto the streets, the homeless and the mentally ill back on the streets.
The Constitution does not give the Federal government the authority to "help those in need" That is for the private sector.
The Federal government does not have money. It can only get money through taxation. Taxation for the purpose of wealth redistribution is unconstitutional, it is "social engineering" and it is against anything that I have ever read in the Bible. It is theft.
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3) Desecrated nature and opened up wilderness to logging, and allowing mountain-top removal mining techniques (as if normal mining techniques weren't bad enough) among other things, in clear violation of the duty we have to allow human life to continue on this planet.
So, I guess that makes you a "Warmer"? Among other things, I suppose.
Radical enviromentalism at the expense of providing for our needs, the use of our God given natural resources, is wrong, and it is just plain stupid.
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4) Many Republican leaders violated their marriages and showed themselves to be the very human people they are, clearly breaking one of the Ten Commandments.
Was Ted Kennedy a Republican? I know there are many others like him as well. Why did you specifically say "[M]any Republicans"?
Read the Bible (Romans would be a great place to start on this question) for your answer. It will tell you why this happens. And it "aint" just Republicans, either.
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So, to me, it is very unconscionable how anyone who is a true Christian can possibly vote Republican given their record of violating the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Personally, I do not see how any true believer could possibly be a Democrat. No. 1 reason, "Abortion on demand", but there are plenty of other reasons. Democrat ideology is far more inconssitant with Christianity.
But look: We have to live within the systems that are here for us to live within. Things are what they are. We can only be accountable for what we have the power to change.
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I hope he has mercy on your souls.
For the believer, that is not a question. He will. He has promised it. Again, I direct you to Romans (Chapter One gets right to it), and believe me, it's a good read.
this makes no sense to me...how would Jesus support abortion?......the health care bill states that some taxes will be used to fund abortion automatically
No it doesn't.
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