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Old 01-01-2010, 03:26 PM
 
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Ok first off I do not mean to offend anyone at all. I am not racist, sexiest, or in any other way unlikeliness of the differences the world beholds upon us. In fact I love them.

My friend and I were talking last night (He is gay) about being gay and becoming gay and being born gay. Well I have a conclusion/question.

I believe people can be born gay but does that make it right? I mean I was born with a love of stealing and porn but does that make it right?

Now I know some might say " So I was born black so am I bad" and think of me as a mean person. THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM SAYING!!!! It is not who you are but what you do. I have no ill will towards anyone because of who they are, race has nothing to do with the question AT ALL.

So you are born gay...is that just one of those cases were the "Devil" tempting you to do wrong?
Because you are "Born Gay" does that make the actions that come along with being gay ok?

 
Old 01-01-2010, 03:31 PM
 
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I believe people can be born gay
Has this ever been proven one way or the other? Or, is it an unknown?

(What you believe is irrelevant.)
 
Old 01-01-2010, 03:38 PM
 
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Ok first off I do not mean to offend anyone at all. I am not racist, sexiest, or in any other way unlikeliness of the differences the world beholds upon us. In fact I love them.

My friend and I were talking last night (He is gay) about being gay and becoming gay and being born gay. Well I have a conclusion/question.

I believe people can be born gay but does that make it right? I mean I was born with a love of stealing and porn but does that make it right?

Now I know some might say " So I was born black so am I bad" and think of me as a mean person. THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM SAYING!!!! It is not who you are but what you do. I have no ill will towards anyone because of who they are, race has nothing to do with the question AT ALL.

So you are born gay...is that just one of those cases were the "Devil" tempting you to do wrong?
Because you are "Born Gay" does that make the actions that come along with being gay ok?
What actions are those you speak of?

Going to school, finding gainful employment, finding someone to share your life with and loving them with all your heart?

Those "gay activities"?

Since when is love a sin?
 
Old 01-01-2010, 03:41 PM
 
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Has this ever been proven one way or the other? Or, is it an unknown?

(What you believe is irrelevant.)
While it is true that the basic mechanics of a person's sexuality are unknown specifically, it is agreed on by scientific peer-review groups that all three general sexual orientation catagories, homo-, bi-, and heterosexuality share the same exact factors, and all three are a natural and inherent part of that individual.

None are a "choice".
 
Old 01-01-2010, 04:48 PM
 
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What actions are those you speak of?

Going to school, finding gainful employment, finding someone to share your life with and loving them with all your heart?

Those "gay activities"?

Since when is love a sin?
Ok I never used the word "Sin" and if you feel the need for me to spell out gay activities for you I am speaking in reguards to the sexual interaction (among other things) between a man and a man or a woman and a woman. All the activities you listed are not gay activities they are just activities. Gay activities are things a gay person would do that a straight person would not.

I have seen one side of people say gay is unnatural and is a wrong and while the other side says being gay is a good thing and there is nothing wrong with it because it is natural.

I am just wondering as with most things in life if the "truth" might be somewhere in the middle?
 
Old 01-01-2010, 05:14 PM
 
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I suggest you read up on this article. It's quite interesting.

The Science Of Sexual Orientation - 60 Minutes - CBS News

The science of sexual orientation.
Watch the videos if you dont like to read, or find them on Youtube.
 
Old 01-01-2010, 05:19 PM
 
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to the OP:

I suggest you read up on this article. It's quite interesting.

The Science Of Sexual Orientation - 60 Minutes - CBS News

The science of sexual orientation.
Watch the videos if you dont like to read, or find them on Youtube.
I did it is really amazing!!!

That also raises the question what % is "from birth" and what % is a environmental? Wow this is a charged discussion.
 
Old 01-01-2010, 05:19 PM
 
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That any innate sexual desire is good or acceptable is a position. There have been religions that believe all sexual desire is bad. They either tolerate it for reproduction or they don't tolerate it at all. (Shakers, Father Divine, etc)

In a more general sense the idea that any and all innate sexual desires must be acted on is not one I think people really believe. I believe there is evidence in animals of necrophilia. If it is possible that someone is "born with the desire to have sex with dead things" I still think it's unlikely to be acceptable even though it's basically "victimless." Same with certain other fetishes or paraphilias.

I think ideally the notion is more that there is nothing inherently negative or unhealthy in homosexuality. In the sense of secular psychology homosexuality is not a disorder as the person is able to fully functional in secular society. When you start with a different set of cultural norms it might be a disorder as it may impair the person's ability to fully function in that community, hence it is a disorder in Catholicism, but this is not the concern of secular society or secularists.
 
Old 01-01-2010, 05:44 PM
 
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Scientists are starting to have a fairly good idea about what causes homosexuality:



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Swaab DF (2007) Sexual differentiation of the brain and behavior. Best Pract Res Clin Endocrinol Metab 21:431–444.

Current evidence indicates that sexual differentiation of the human brain occurs during fetal and neonatal development and programs our gender identity— our feeling of being male or female and our sexual orientation as hetero-, homo-, or bisexual. This sexual differentiation process is accompanied by many structural and functional brain differences among these groups.
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(2008) Brain scans have provided the most compelling evidence yet that being gay or straight is a biologically fixed trait.
The scans reveal that in gay people, key structures of the brain governing emotion, mood, anxiety and aggressiveness resemble those in straight people of the opposite sex.

The differences are likely to have been forged in the womb or in early infancy, says Ivanka Savic, who conducted the study at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, Sweden
Gay brains structured like those of the opposite sex - life - 16 June 2008 - New Scientist
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Mustanski, B. S.; DuPree, M. G.; Nievergelt, C. M.; Bocklandt, S.; Schork, N. J.; Hamer, D. H. “A genomewide scan of male sexual orientation.” Human Genetics 116: 272-278, 2005

Mustanski concluded that: "There's a converging line of evidence between the hormonal studies, the genetic studies, and the neuroanatomical studies. My research has identified candidate genes within these new chromosomal regions that could link together all of these different findings”
This link has a lot of interesting information:

The Causes of Homosexuality (http://isocrat.org/science/causes/causes.php#nurt3 - broken link)

Or for a long list of studies prior to 2004:
Is It a Choice? The Science of Sexual Orientation (http://www.libertyeducationforum.org/IsItaChoiceTheScienceofSexualOrientation.htm - broken link)
 
Old 01-01-2010, 05:56 PM
 
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I believe that just about fully and adequately answers the philosophical aspect of my question. TY Thomas R.
Just out of socialistic curiosity...what field are you employed in?
That was about the best single answer I have ever received on a forum EVER!!
I may not be able to spell very well but don't let that dictate my level of intelligence to you. I fully understood and am thahkful for your contribution.
At the root of it can any question ever really be answered let alone asked through philosophy or only pondered
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