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Old 01-16-2010, 02:25 PM
 
Location: south saudi
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Many of the West focuses on women in Islam


they was alleged that Islam despises Women


then We will compare Between women .... In (Islam )and (Christianity )and (Judaism )...


that In accordance with the texts ...OURAN....Old and New Testament....Talmud ....OK



Many non-Muslims feel sorry for any Muslim women they see adorned in their modest clothing. They feel that they are deprived the freedom to roam around in more scant and revealing clothing. Anyone who lives in a manner other that which they have become accustomed to is seen by them to be oppressed and forced to live in this manner. There are certain tribes in the Amazon jungle, in Australia, and in Africa which have become accustomed to walking around in




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was these presentation to my speak even I avoid lengthy I Will be completed later ....



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Old 01-16-2010, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Nowhere'sville
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Sorry man...that was a lame attempt...but nice try! All three treat women poorly. You as a man feel the need to control women. That has been the case with religion from the beginning. Control. Why are Islamics so afraid to let women choose for themselves? That's all it is...fear...why are you fearful of independent Islamic women?
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Old 01-16-2010, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Wherever women are
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Yes, they're all HOT
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Old 01-16-2010, 03:04 PM
 
Location: south saudi
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Originally Posted by DaniMae1 View Post
Sorry man...that was a lame attempt...but nice try! All three treat women poorly. You as a man feel the need to control women. That has been the case with religion from the beginning. Control. Why are Islamics so afraid to let women choose for themselves? That's all it is...fear...why are you fearful of independent Islamic women?





I am not a man ..ME like you woman

I want to convey a message for everyone in the forum here

When I talk about Islam .... When I write about Islam that does not means I am forced it on any one here

that freedom to my speak Like any other subject ..

Is it not right for me to write here like you ...?

I write for a long time topics about Islam in several areas then

Why talk about my religion Is not called freedom ?

God has given us the mind and through it we choose

We have no right to force anyone even that he/she read what we write


OK?


jmooool
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Old 01-16-2010, 06:33 PM
 
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[quote=jmooool;12475557]


I am not a man ..ME like you woman

I want to convey a message for everyone in the forum here

When I talk about Islam .... When I write about Islam that does not means I am forced it on any one here

that freedom to my speak Like any other subject ..

Is it not right for me to write here like you ...?

I write for a long time topics about Islam in several areas then

Why talk about my religion Is not called freedom ?

God has given us the mind and through it we choose

We have no right to force anyone even that he/she read what we write


OK?


jmooool


Jmoool,

The Muslim Woman: Looking Beyond The Veil, society, freedom, elections, women's rights, hijab, terror, Islamic fashion, education, sports, wedding, jobs and much more.

Here are how Muslim women and girls are treated in much of the Muslim world. Its heartbreaking.....

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Old 01-16-2010, 08:06 PM
 
Location: East Cleveland
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^^^^ jews treat there women the same....and for that matter, whats the difference between the average muslim women and a catholic women..they cover their bodies too, but no one says anything..people act like women have no choice in the matter..im from sudan east africa, a muslim country, and thier are plenty women who dont veil their...and the majority of the muslim countrties in the world, hijab or veiling is not even that serious of a matter..alot of women wear them so they can be identified as muslim, just like i wewre kufi's so im not confused for a black christian...
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Old 01-16-2010, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Are you guys serious?

Women in Saudi Arabia.
Employment
Currently, women are not banned from employment, however they are not allowed to work in a mixed sex workplace.[10] The permission for a woman to go out of her house for work, is subject to other conditions. These include:

1. The woman should need to work in order to acquire money she needs.
2. The work should be in a place that is only for women, and there should be no interaction with non-mahram men, such as if she works in teaching girls, whether in administration or technical support.
3. The work should be suited to the woman's body physique and mentality.
4. It should not lead to her neglecting her household duties.
5. Her work should not lead to her travelling without a close male relative.
6. Women are allowed to work with their husbands' permission only .

It is not considered permissible for women to be appointed as judges. Positions of high public office are also reserved for men.

Mobility...
1. Driving a car involves uncovering the face which is considered obligatory for women to cover in Saudi.
2. Driving a car may lead women to go out of house more often.
3. Driving a car may lead women to have interaction with non-mahram males, i.e., they can be stopped by policemen at the scenes of traffic infractions.
4. Women driving cars may lead to overcrowding the streets and many young men may be deprived of the opportunity to drive.

There are other decrees that have affected women's mobility in Saudi Arabia:

1. It is forbidden for women to ride bicycles and motorbikes.
2. It is forbidden for women to be alone in a car with a non-mahram man.
3. Segregated bus services are introduced.

In the courts...
Women may not testify unless it is a personal matter that did not occur in the sight of men. The testimony of a woman is not regarded as fact but as presumption. The reasons women are forbidden to testify in proceedings are....

1. Women are much more emotional than men and will, as a result of their emotions, distort their testimony.
2. Women do not participate in public life, so they will not be capable of understanding what they observe.
3. Women are dominated completely by men, who by the grace of God are deemed superior; therefore, women will give testimony according to what the last man told them.
4. Women are forgetful, and their testimony cannot be considered reliable.

Women's rights in Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 01-16-2010, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Good ol' City of Sin
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I dont have a problem with women who wear modest clothing. However, as a non-Muslim, I do have an issue with women being forced to wear a burka, hijab, niqab, cartaff, khimar, abaya, chador, face masks, etc. . I have many reasons for this, but for me the biggest reason is that I feel that a lot of these articles of clothing are dehumanizing. If I am walking down the street, or looking at a photograph, or whatever, and there are these "beings" completely covered in cloth, I do not see them as women, or not even as humans. They are merely shadows; you cant really see them at all. Its always mentally jarring for me, as a woman, when I see a woman wearing a burka, while her husband is clothed in normal clothing. It just bothers me that a society and/or a religion has oppressed this woman into being a mere phantom; she barely exists because you cannot see her. Im not saying she should ditch the burka and opt for a crop-top and a g-string, lets not go from one extreme to another. I just dont understand why this woman is forced to completely hide herself from the world, and this goes beyond the burka.

In most instances, this woman cannot leave the house without her husbands permission and sometimes not without a male relative as a chaperone. I am pretty sure there are too many instances when a husband has refused his wife's request, or a male relative was simply unavailable. Too often, this woman is stuck at home, where she is carrying out the thankless job of live-in-servant and bearer of children.

I guess my whole problem with the Islamic dresscode is that the only ones who suffer are women. They are the only ones who must adhere to these strict, and at times meaningless, rules; and what do they really accomplish? Do women still get raped in Islamic nations? Yes. Are women still objectified in Islamic nations? Yes. The thing that kills me is that men can always do whatever they want, even rape, lie, cheat, and steal. But if its against a woman, they can always lay the blame on her; "she was too provocative" (yeah, her burka was just SO revealing). I remember being in Kuwait and there was a woman without an escort buying ice cream at a shop. All of the men were eyeing her up and down, some even making comments about this woman's sexual exploits (granted, no one knew her...we couldnt even see her face), and that she deserved to be beaten or punished for being out alone, not to mention all of the nasty, perverted things I heard.

If the mere sight of a woman's hair, her neck, her face, her fully clothed body, or the sight of her without a male escort is enough to put men in an uncontrollable frenzy...it seems to me that the men are the ones that should be punished with excess rules and regulations regarding what they can and cannot do as it is truly the men that have the problem.

And just as an FYI, not all "western" women are like the fake-baked floozy's that we see on MTV. I have always dressed modestly, and will continue to do so. Come to think of it, most of the women I know are very modest dressers, by choice. I dont see wearing "scant and revealing clothing" as being the only other option from being completely covered up.

As far as this comment is concerned:
"Who has the power to determine what is decent and modest clothing? Who is to determine what is decent and modest behavior? Muslims assign this right to God alone. This is the essence of "Islam." "Islam" means "The submission to the will of God." What God commands, a Muslim does. They do not demand that God justify his commands before they accept them. Once they have verified that a command is indeed from God then they abide by it without hesitation."

My problem with this is that too often mortal men manipulate what "God commands", and instead make their demands "in the name of God"...which is COMPLETELY different. We can all open countless history books and see where man has used God as justification for doing horrendous things. Look at the beginning of the Holy Wars, we have one side (Christians) claiming that God is on their side, and that God has told them to fight, and that they will win. Then we have the other side (Muslims) who also claim that God is on their side, and that God has told them to fight, and that they will win. But what we really had was two groups of men, fighting for themselves, not because God told them that was the right thing to do. Another case of men twisting "God's will" into their own will is during the 14th century, the Catholic church refused to let anyone aside from the clergy see the texts of the Bible so that the church could manipulate the masses. So, its not too outlandish to think that what is being passed as "God's will" is actuallt just some dude's will.
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Old 01-16-2010, 11:00 PM
 
Location: Lubbock, Texas
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Now, where do Christianity and Judaism play out here? As far as I can see, the Western world is the only civilization that treats women equally (except, of course, for the Muslims).
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Old 01-17-2010, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Unknown
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Are you guys serious?

Women in Saudi Arabia.
Employment
Currently, women are not banned from employment, however they are not allowed to work in a mixed sex workplace.[10] The permission for a woman to go out of her house for work, is subject to other conditions. These include:

1. The woman should need to work in order to acquire money she needs.
2. The work should be in a place that is only for women, and there should be no interaction with non-mahram men, such as if she works in teaching girls, whether in administration or technical support.
3. The work should be suited to the woman's body physique and mentality.
4. It should not lead to her neglecting her household duties.
5. Her work should not lead to her travelling without a close male relative.
6. Women are allowed to work with their husbands' permission only .

It is not considered permissible for women to be appointed as judges. Positions of high public office are also reserved for men.

Mobility...
1. Driving a car involves uncovering the face which is considered obligatory for women to cover in Saudi.
2. Driving a car may lead women to go out of house more often.
3. Driving a car may lead women to have interaction with non-mahram males, i.e., they can be stopped by policemen at the scenes of traffic infractions.
4. Women driving cars may lead to overcrowding the streets and many young men may be deprived of the opportunity to drive.

There are other decrees that have affected women's mobility in Saudi Arabia:

1. It is forbidden for women to ride bicycles and motorbikes.
2. It is forbidden for women to be alone in a car with a non-mahram man.
3. Segregated bus services are introduced.

In the courts...
Women may not testify unless it is a personal matter that did not occur in the sight of men. The testimony of a woman is not regarded as fact but as presumption. The reasons women are forbidden to testify in proceedings are....

1. Women are much more emotional than men and will, as a result of their emotions, distort their testimony.
2. Women do not participate in public life, so they will not be capable of understanding what they observe.
3. Women are dominated completely by men, who by the grace of God are deemed superior; therefore, women will give testimony according to what the last man told them.
4. Women are forgetful, and their testimony cannot be considered reliable.

Women's rights in Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Employment

1. Could not understand what you mean.
2. Women can work mixed places, don't believe everything you hear in the internet or the media, sometimes women themselves prefer for to be segregated because of the sexual harassments they face.
3.Its normal to have segregated schools, this is accepted by a the vast majority of people, if they tried to mix them, a lot of people would stand against it. Its better to let a woman work for something that would suit her and be easy for her where she could earn a decent salary, a lot of women would not want to work in a job that is suited for men anyways.
4.The law about neglecting her house duty, is almost non-existent because this is a personal matter, the government would not interfere if the woman doesn't want to do the housework.
5. This law is not implemented anymore.
6. This law is also not implemented anymore.

About the judges thing, thats true i would have to agree with you on that, but throught the years it will eventually change.

Mobility

1. Women are not forced to cover their faces in Saudi Arabia, they only cover when they're outside, but when they go to malls, resturants, etc they dont have to.
2. This is not the reason.
3. The religious people are holding women from driving cars which is wrong, the King dosen't mind it but in a couple of years women will be allowed tho. Most of females have their own drivers that are available 24/7 so driving is not really a big deal, the ones that dont, have their husbands, sons, and Taxis.
4. No this is just a big fat lie.

The leaders of Saudi regret not letting women drive from before, because they know if they let them drive now, guys would harrass them a lot more which will take 1-2 years to cool down.

1. Bicycles are fine, motorbikes yeah.
2. No this is wrong, most females have drivers who are not relatives, and its complety fine. This info you have is wrong.
3. Most females feel uncomfortable to take the buses anyways.

In the courts...

Its true these sexist laws were there like 5-6 years ago, but they are not implemented anymore.

These harsh laws you guys read are not implemented anymore, they're just there to satisfy the religious people, but at the sametime they're not implemented to keep both sides happy.

BTW i lived in Saudi Arabia, so i know what im talking about, because i seen how most things work in that country with my own eyes. I also have female relatives who work in mixed places and its completly normal, basically what im trying to say is the media exgarattes, they try to make it sound really bad when its a normal country.
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