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Old 08-27-2012, 01:15 AM
 
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Well you can always make an arguement for faking evidence. And you can always say a publication is not reputable. However, that being said. The person who did the study was Dr. Richard E. Gallagher. Who is a board-certified psychiatrist in private practice in Hawthorne, New York, and Associate professor of Clinical Psychiatry at New York Medical College. He is also on the faculties of the Columbia University Psychoanalytic Institute. He is also a Phi Beta Kappa graduate of Princeton University, magna *** laude in Classics, and trained in Psychiatry at the Yale University School of Medicine.

It is very doubtful that man with his kind of credentials would be a participant in some kind of hoax. Levitation is something experienced by those who are under demonic possession. Such Levitation is experienced in areas around the world where the dark arts are in use. Consider the link below.
Please, it's not doubtful at all. He's a quack with a degree. So what? I also know of a qualified weather man who believes in chemtrails. The incident is obviously fake. There's nothing stopping crazy people from being doctors themselves.
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Old 08-27-2012, 01:33 AM
 
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Please, it's not doubtful at all. He's a quack with a degree. So what? I also know of a qualified weather man who believes in chemtrails. The incident is obviously fake. There's nothing stopping crazy people from being doctors themselves.
Obviously fake in what way, and crazy in what way
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Old 08-27-2012, 02:03 AM
 
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Obviously fake in what way, and crazy in what way
Obviously fake in several respects:
- no documentation whatsoever
- The Oxford Review article is in fact written by the so-called doctor presiding over the exorcism, so that part is totally self-serving and
- this 'Oxford Review' is a faith=based paper, not an actual intellectual publishing work of Oxford U. The name is a misnomer meant to give credence to a wholly religious publication
The tagline on the main page is "dedicated to delivering sparkling prose on behalf of Holy Mother Church' for pete's sake. It's not a reputable paper by any means.

Crazy in that
-there's no such thing as demonic possession
-a crazy person's accolades don't somehow verify fantastical claims
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Old 08-27-2012, 02:42 AM
 
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There are a lot of things in this world that we have not experienced, yet because of that fact, is that any reason to dismiss their reality? And according to Dr. Gallagher, she did speak both Latin and Spanish. A language she has no knowledge of. And how do you write off levitation to schizophrenia? And books were flying off the shelves at the sametime of this levitation. I find it amazing how some can filter out such facts, all in an attempt to rationalize events, that cannot be rationalized away. Does your friend with low blood sugar have a problem with levitation?
Except not a single one of these so-called events is actually documented.

No levitation, no books flying. We don't have to accept these as facts in the slightest; show us the video of it happening. Let's hear a witness who isn't totally invested in Christianity.

All of Gallagher's claim's can be ignored. There is no evidence, and he can siomply be claiming there are 'numerous eye witnesses'. Who are they, where are their accounts?

It's all rubbish, written by a crazy fundamentalist.
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Old 08-27-2012, 08:03 AM
 
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Just a reminder with these old threads. Campbell34 RIP.
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Old 08-27-2012, 09:51 AM
 
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Did I hear that he was given an afterlife membership with someone animating the dead white hands on the keyboard? Mind you, the style is uncannily the same. Brings tears of nostalgia to me eyes it does.

As to the cases I am interested of course and have read a lot of cases, some high profile with a lot of corroborative detail apparently proving that it had to be real. But that is still nor properly researched or validated or explained or documented or understood. Far from being checked, tested, duplicated, peer reviewed and published. That is the test for the stuff we deal with every day. The supernatural claims have at least to get that sort of credibility.

It is so very, very, common in this grey area to throw a heap of claims and anecdotes at us (that is, skeptical science, I suppose) and demand that it be taken on trust without anything like the validation we'd expect for even routine science. And then we get the accusations of being in denial.

In fact it is the fringers who are in denial - about the huge amount of failed and discredited claims.

The reanimated dead corpse, Fatima, The Moonlanding fakes, Crop circles, The Wyatt Ark and the NAMI one isn't looking too clever just now.

Science? Feathered dinos, black holes, now the Higgs -boson, so it seems. The two track records do not compare in credibility.
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Old 08-28-2012, 06:01 PM
 
Location: West Egg
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Sadly, there's a sitting Governor who writes about demonic possession and exorcism:

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BEATING A DEMON
Physical Dimensions of Spiritual Warfare
December 1994
By Bobby Jindal

Bobby Jindal received his M.Litt. in Politics earlier this year from Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes Scholar. He is currently an Associate at McKinsey & Co. in Washington, D.C. He has been accepted at Harvard Medical School and Yale Law School, and has the option of returning to Oxford for a D.Phil. in Politics. He will be deciding which path to pursue soon. A convert to Christianity, he was born and raised Hindu. Some of the names in this article, but none of the details, have been altered by the author.
New Oxford Review
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Old 08-28-2012, 06:03 PM
 
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Bobby Jindal? lol

There's a reliable source
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Old 08-28-2012, 06:08 PM
 
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Bobby Jindal? lol

There's a reliable source
By definition, anyone who thinks demonic possession occurs is no more reliable than people who think leprechauns exist...
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Old 08-28-2012, 06:55 PM
 
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Well you can always make an arguement for faking evidence. And you can always say a publication is not reputable. However, that being said. The person who did the study was Dr. Richard E. Gallagher. Who is a board-certified psychiatrist in private practice in Hawthorne, New York, and Associate professor of Clinical Psychiatry at New York Medical College. He is also on the faculties of the Columbia University Psychoanalytic Institute. He is also a Phi Beta Kappa graduate of Princeton University, magna *** laude in Classics, and trained in Psychiatry at the Yale University School of Medicine.

It is very doubtful that man with his kind of credentials would be a participant in some kind of hoax. Levitation is something experienced by those who are under demonic possession. Such Levitation is experienced in areas around the world where the dark arts are in use. Consider the link below.


African shaman performing levitation - YouTube
Boy, are you gullible! If you had researched further on youtube, you would find documentaries which explain methods used for "levitation", as well as various illusionists who can demonstrate the same thing.


New illusionist - YouTube


secret of levitation in india - YouTube


David Blaine Levitation - WATCH - YouTube


supernatural revealed in india - YouTube

I'd bet you could also find documentaries about how demon possessions are staged.
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