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For example....some say they "evangelize everyone because they are commanded to..." BUT when it comes to something like gay people they (Christians) will say something like..."I don't care if they are gay as long as they don't push it on me or teach it to school kids..."
Kind of a double standard....an arrogant one at that.
How bout another example. Christian kid has an atheist kid over to play...Christian family talks to the atheist kid about god and church....BUT if the Christian kid were over at the atheist kid's house and the parents talked about why the kid should NOT believe in god the Christian kid's parents would most likely have a hissy fit!
Just one of those thoughts that I've been thinking lately.
Some Christians push their views on everybody because they are so sure that they are right, and anyone who disagrees with them are wrong.
These are generally the same Christians who interpret the bible literally, and have created their god in their own mean spirited image.
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For example....some say they "evangelize everyone because they are commanded to..." BUT when it comes to something like gay people they (Christians) will say something like..."I don't care if they are gay as long as they don't push it on me or teach it to school kids..."
Kind of a double standard....an arrogant one at that.
How bout another example. Christian kid has an atheist kid over to play...Christian family talks to the atheist kid about god and church....BUT if the Christian kid were over at the atheist kid's house and the parents talked about why the kid should NOT believe in god the Christian kid's parents would most likely have a hissy fit!
Just one of those thoughts that I've been thinking lately.
Your hypotheticals don't stand up.
The objection in the first hypothetical is not a "double standard" since public schools are not allowed to "evangelize" for Christianity or for any other religion.
As regards to the "playdate" example, it sounds very contrived. You are assuming that most Christian parents would "evangelize" to an atheist child by talking about God and Church. Again, I have never seen this happen. Speaking personally, I have never asked my own children whether their friends are Christian, Atheist, Buddhist, Wiccan, Fill-in-the-blank, nor have I asked the "friends" themselves. The subject does not come up, and ours is a house where religion is hardly marginal. Further, you have assumed that if it was done, the Atheist parents would not have a "hissy fit" in response. What is the basis for these assumptions?
Your post reminds me of the one from Nea1 a couple weeks ago that was deleted by the mods, where she complained that she was sick of Chrisitans "getting in her face" "all the time" with their beliefs. When I asked her to cite specific examples, the best she could come up with was Christians protesting against Roe v. Wade, the Pope issuing statements about world politics/the environement/social policy, and Christians knocking on her door to proselytize.
When I pointed out to her that America is a Constitutional Democracy where all citizens including Christians have freedom of speech and freedom of assembly, and that if she is being harassed at her doorstep by anyone, including Christian proselytizers, she should call the local police, she proceeded to tell me it was "sad" that Christians had freedom of speech.
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Because that's the way how it goes sadly. You have to deal with it. Though, I do agree that gays shouldn't be pushing their sexual preferences in schools nor preach it to schools, that's something that should be done with their same-sex spouse behind closed doors. This by the way is coming from an atheist...
"I don't care if they are gay as long as they don't push it on me or teach it to school kids..."
Its not generally Christians who say this but southern homophobic non-religious people. Christians generally want to tell the homosexual they are an abomination and are going to hell if they don't 'change'.
Do you really believe Atheist parents in the deep South are as "tolerant" as her fictional Atheist parents? Pardon me if I'm slightly sceptical about that
First of all, there should not be many atheist parents in the South.
If you start counting them, they'll bizarrely happen to be members of one City-Data
Because that's the way how it goes sadly. You have to deal with it. Though, I do agree that gays shouldn't be pushing their sexual preferences in schools nor preach it to schools, that's something that should be done with their same-sex spouse behind closed doors. This by the way is coming from an atheist...
What exactly would "pushing/preaching their sexual preference" in schools entail? This has never happened. Informing children that there are people who like the same sex, that it is OK to be gay and that some families are made up of two parents of the same sex is not pushing or preaching homosexuality. It is simply stating facts and a educating them in reality.
It depends on what is meant by evangelism. If it simply means saying what you believe, and stating it as a belief, that should be fine either way. For example a gay person saying that they believe it's okay to act on one's homosexual desires should be fine. I actually have no problem with people who believe homosexuals don't need to be celibate and act on that. Although I don't think schools should be getting into sexual/romantic morality until at least 10-12 or maybe not ever.
However saying that homosexual sex simply is okay, in some objective inarguable way, is more like proselytizing. It's not telling one's opinion to others, and why one believes it, it's an attempt to push a position as the only acceptable one. Likewise just saying that all heterosexuals should act on their heterosexuality or get married, as if this were inarguable, would also be offensive to me. I do not want schools teaching kids that if they're heterosexual they must get married someday or at least have sex. Maybe some kids have a neurological condition which will mean they're essentially asexual. Or maybe they're meant to be celibate. Or maybe they're Radical Feminists who believe marriage or even heterosexuality is a form of patriarchal oppression. Or maybe they believe the UFO people will only accept virgins, whatever.
On religion telling one's opinions doesn't have to be the same as trying to press people to agree. Although in general I wouldn't really want evangelism in public schools either.
You are assuming that most Christian parents would "evangelize" to an atheist child by talking about God and Church. Again, I have never seen this happen.
It happened to me at multiple Christian households when I was a child.
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