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Old 05-29-2007, 09:34 AM
 
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I don't believe in God, does that make me "evil"? I consider myself moralistic, and I have respect for other people. I would also consider myself a caring person.

Evil is certainly a humans ability to do wrongs to other human beings. A few examples of that have already been mentioned, as any other atrocity that we witness around the world.

I do not think this can be linked in any way to "satan" otherwise he would just rise up from the flames and conduct mass killings with fireballs from his nostrils.

Some of the above comments are scary in themeselves, as they asert that anyone questioning the existence of God, or trying to rationalize religiousity must be influenced by the devil.

The devil tries to influence everyone. . not just non Christians. And questioning and searching is not evil.

We have stated it before, one can lead a moral life and not believe in God.
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Old 05-29-2007, 10:22 AM
 
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Well, I think it is all how you determine evil. I have been told I am evil for not believing in God. Hey, I'm not the one passing judgement. Anyway, to speak of Hitler, Ted Bundy, Stalin, and different other serial murderers you have to look at their pasts. Almost always there are cases of extreme abuse in some form or fashion. I know Hitler and Stalin were both beaten harshly at home from their father's but were also coddled by their mother's. But, they were a different kind of maniac.

You're typical serial killer that preys on women usually has had some form of abuse from their own mothers. Their preying on women is considered to be regressed feelings towards the hatred of their mother or female relative that helped raise them. I know that the more brutal the murderer typically is an indication of the level of abuse or mistrust. It's seething hatred and rage. Now, I think these are all things that sink in on children at a young age, however not all people react on their situations the same way that serial killers do. Many more people, unfortunately, have been abused and do not grow up to be serial killers. To me, the true evil is the person that cannot refrain themselves from committing these heinous acts. They are shallow and callous and typically self-centered. So, yes, I believe true evil does exist but not in a "spiritual" way. I don't believe there is a devil or Satan or Lucifer. I think that some people are born evil because of chemical imbalances in their brain. I think it was John Wayne Gacy's brain (not 100% sure if it was him) that they looked at after an autopsy and noticed certain peculiarities with it. Apparently the same peculiarities have been found in a lot of serial killers. HOWEVER, it is not understood whether these oddities happened during puberty with the continuing development of the brain or if they were born that way.
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Old 05-29-2007, 10:28 AM
 
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I believe evil takes root slowly and people can fight it or they can sucumb to it or they can embrace it. Ted Bundy in a jailhouse interview before his execution admitted he became hooked on pornography as a teen. He himself said this is what started his decent into evil. He made a choice to go down this road.
Many people have been abused and you are right most don't choose this route.
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Old 05-29-2007, 10:37 AM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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I believe evil takes root slowly and people can fight it or they can sucumb to it or they can embrace it. Ted Bundy in a jailhouse interview before his execution admitted he became hooked on pornography as a teen. He himself said this is what started his decent into evil. He made a choice to go down this road.
Many people have been abused and you are right most don't choose this route.
There is no link between pornography and "evil" acts such as those Ted Bundy embarked upon. You could argue that almost anything in society could be linked in some strange way to violent or evil acts. Millions of people around the world watch pornography (although they might not admit it) and there is nothing wrong (in my opinion) with that.

Evil is a difficult thing to define, although simple associations such as pornography = evil, drugs = evil etc etc are far too simplistic.
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Old 05-29-2007, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Nashville, Tn
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Ted Bundy in a jailhouse interview before his execution admitted he became hooked on pornography as a teen.
Yes, I remember him making that statement but I don't believe it. I've seen a few tv interviews with killers who try to come up with some excuse for their behavior. The awful truth is that people like Bundy find it extremely exciting and sexually stimulating to kill someone in a sadistic manner. It becomes an obsession and it's not something they can share with people in a discussion. I have seen one or two interviews where people actually admit that they just enjoy it but for the most of them it's a dark place in their own minds that they're not going to openly talk about.
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Old 05-29-2007, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Mississippi
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There is no link between pornography and "evil" acts such as those Ted Bundy embarked upon. You could argue that almost anything in society could be linked in some strange way to violent or evil acts. Millions of people around the world watch pornography (although they might not admit it) and there is nothing wrong (in my opinion) with that.

Evil is a difficult thing to define, although simple associations such as pornography = evil, drugs = evil etc etc are far too simplistic.


Yeah, I have to agree with you on this ian. The pornography industry is a 240 billion dollar a year industry in the U.S. alone. So, I don't want to hear how no one watches it. The key words here are Ted Bundy was "addicted" to pornography. That means he had an addictive personality. He could have just as easily been an addicted drug addict, alcoholic, gambler, etc... I'm not saying pornography isn't addictive. I think anything can be addictive. Heck, some people claim chocolate is addictive. The thing is, being addicted to pornography is one thing. To not be able to refrain from your actions as a result of it is another. All an addiction is is your brains dopamine receptors being stimulated in such a way that it requires more of the certain stimulation to enhance the pleasure center of your brain. When people inject heroin, the heroin does a fantastic job of stimulating the dopamine receptors. It's what explains the euphoria. However, as a result, it also blocks the dopamine receptors even after the first use, requiring the person to force it. This is the "addiction" part. In order for Ted Bundy to enjoy himself he actually had to kill and murder people. It sounds sick. But, that was his addiction. His ability to not control himself.... I don't yet know if I think that is evil or a realy psychological problem. Maybe both?

EDIT: Also, I believe the power and euphoria of actually murdering someone is what sets these kind of people off. It is their "ultimate" drug. I have read and seen TV specials on people that say they feel like they are in another mindset or body when they are committing these acts. I don't know how true that is. I understand a lot of serial killers are very intelligent and very manipulative so I don't know if it's just one of their little tricks but maybe that's part of it.
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Old 05-29-2007, 11:05 AM
 
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OOPS I hit my mouse the wrong way and lost my post that I started....Live & Learn (He-He} First of all I believe that God gave us "Free Will" this means I have the freedom to choose to do Good Or Bad....Otherwords we would all be Puppets....People in general give Satan too much Credit...and they refuse to look at themselves and be responsible for their own actions or lack of actions. I do not belong to any Religious Order...Its my opinion that All Religion was made by Man for Man. Why would I want to follow man when he is so messed up??? God is my source for All Things in my life. I'm just God's kid trying to get through this bussiness of living as best I can.About this Evil in the world all one has to do is look no further then to mankind thats where it is! Its not a separate Entity...No one can make me do a evil deed...The only way it can happen is only with my Permission...I choose Not! Many times I had to stand and defend myself from people that want to Push their belief system on to me...I would not do that to others...but they tried to do it to me...The rule I lead my life by is do unto others...You know the rest...I guess you could call me a "Spirtual Warrior" I will stand and defend my right to Believe in God as I choose. Satan is Not a Scape Goat!...Hope I didn't Ramble too much here...So for what its worth...There it is...Remember this is only my perspective.....
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Old 05-29-2007, 11:13 AM
 
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There is no link between pornography and "evil" acts such as those Ted Bundy embarked upon.
What I stated was Ted Bundy stated he started to become addicted to pornography in his youth. He admits this was the start of his downward spiral. . . he himself placed a direct implication between his addiction to porn, then becoming a peeping Tom. . .and then it spiraled down from there. He made the link. . I think he might have a little bit more experience with this since it was his own.

There is nothing simplistic about it!
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Old 05-29-2007, 11:18 AM
 
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BTW the Ted Bundy issues follows what I believe, and what I posted earlier. A "seed" of evil is planted and it can grow or we can weed it out. Ted Bundy's "seed" may have been his initial foray into porn. . this is how evil got hold of him. Yes, it was definately his choice to go down this road. And he could have stopped it (with his free will) at any time. . . he could have stopped it in his youth or at any time. I believe it gets harder the more you disregard your moral compass.
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Old 05-29-2007, 01:56 PM
 
Location: among the chaos
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Default The Good Son

Ok, this post makes me think of the movie "The Good Son". Anyone seen it?

I don't know that evil has to be "born" of something (abuse, porn, whatever). I think that it is possible for someone to be born with a psycological disorder that would give them the tendancy to do wrong. I have seen children tormenting animals for absolutely no reason. Sure, maybe it's just a child's curiousity the first time that he cuts the tail off the lizard, but when he continues to do it and feels nothing for the act?! I know of a boy whose family hunts (for sport) and the child shot a rabbit but did not completely kill hit. He threw it into a fire while it was still alive. I know of adults who have purposefully driven off the road to run over a cat, just because they don't like cats. These are normal people, everyday people who you would interact with at the grocery store. How do we explain this kind of evil?
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