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Old 02-13-2010, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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Want the reason? the body gets to understand the devil that way... at least in Iran. In America we keep arguing for an inanely good one. No such luck, eh?
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Old 02-13-2010, 08:40 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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There has been about 200,000 years of human history, but according to the Bible and/or Christian theology, god decides to appear in the flesh OR shows up represented in Jesus. Why not right after Adam and Eve screwed up or before the Flood or before Islam ran wild out of the gates, before western slavery or during modern times with all the technology available now?

What was so special about 2,000 years ago that could not have been special at any other time in history ESPECIALLY before man multiplied and stated all kinds of "false" religions that put them on the bad side of the bible's god even if they knew it or not (supposedly)?

Because even though hes all powerful and all knowing he ran out of money and people back then would believe anything they didn't understand so it was easy to ask for 10% of their earnings and get it ?
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Old 02-13-2010, 08:44 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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The answer is in what they call dispensationalism. If you read the first chapter in the Bible: God's plan of creation was one week or seven days. But then we learn that a day to God is 1000 years. So the simple answer is that Jesus came into the world 4000 years after God created Adam and Eve. They were the beginning of the Hebrew people and this is confirmed by the science of DNA. God's plan of restoration is 7000 years. Beginning with Adam and Eve in around 4000 BC. Abraham shows up around 3000BC. The Science of DNA now confirms that Abraham was the father of the Hebrews through Sarah and what we call the muslims though Hagar the Egyptian. In around 2000BC about the time the wheel was first invented the Hebrews went into Egypt and Moses lead them out. Around 1000BC you have David, Solomon and the first temple in Jerusalem. The foundation is still there. At then end of this 2000 years age will be the beginning of the 1000 year reign of Christ. They call this the Church age or the age of grace. In what looks to be April 13, 2029 will be the 2000 year aniversity of the church. This is marked by the Apophis asteroid that will whiz by the Earth on that day only to come back 7 years later and there is a chance in the year 2036 that it could hit the earth. So the 7 year period of time marked by the Apophis asteroid is representive of the 7000 year period of God's plan of restoration.

The problem with this is that science says the Earth is 4 1/2 billion years old. And whats with a day equalling a 1000 years and now its only 24 hours....can't this guy make up his mind....geeze.....1000 years and 24 hours isn't even close ?
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Old 02-14-2010, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Somewhere out there
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The problem with this is that science says the Earth is 4 1/2 billion years old. And whats with a day equalling a 1000 years and now its only 24 hours....can't this guy make up his mind....geeze.....1000 years and 24 hours isn't even close ?
Nah... it's simpler than that, which I'm thinking you also realize...

It's whatever works in the moment. Beliefs of Convenience, Lying for Jesus, etc., all come into play whenever required, to make that square peg fit nicely into the round hole of reality.

If I were a devout Christian who really truly wanted to convince other non-believers of the Truth of God's existence, I'd realize I'd have to come up with something other than saying "You just have to have faith, my son!" , or "All science is a biased fabrication... well, except my iPod and TV and car and heart bypass surgery!" as a functioning rationale.

But we also know that there's never been even one documented "miracle" or event or statistically valid answer to a prayer ever, on record. It's all based on biblical fables from back when nothing could be, or was, properly documented and recorded.

So, let's see the "film at 11", just once! Thanks!!
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Old 02-26-2010, 08:11 AM
 
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The problem with this is that science says the Earth is 4 1/2 billion years old. And whats with a day equalling a 1000 years and now its only 24 hours....can't this guy make up his mind....geeze.....1000 years and 24 hours isn't even close ?
It is not a problem because the Bible is basicly only a history of the last 6000 years. So the change in the length of a day is only slight in a thousand year period of time. That is why God gave us a way to measure the length of a day and the length of a year. Or we would not even be having this conversation if it could not be measured. (Ie Hubble Constant)

For a practical application of what your looking at a day would be a billion years. The earth is a part of the universe that began about 14 Billion years ago. The 4.5 billion years your refering to is when there was a collision between the earth and the moon and that was the beginning of the earth as we now know it.
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Old 02-26-2010, 08:21 AM
 
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But we also know that there's never been even one documented "miracle" or event or statistically valid answer to a prayer ever, on record. It's all based on biblical fables from back when nothing could be, or was, properly documented and recorded.
Every drug study that has ever been done shows that when people take a placebo or a sugar pill then up to 50% show improvement. Most everyone agrees that prayer is going to have at least the same effectiveness as a placebo or a sugar pill.

The challange then is to show that prayer is more effective then a placebo. The results are not conclusive in that some studies do show prayer to be more effective and some studies do not show prayer to be more effective.

Of course millions of dollars are spent on pills that drug companys claim are more effective then a sugar pill. Why is it that people will put their faith in a pill but they will not put their faith in the Living God who created them and the universe we live in?

As far as miracles are concerned. A miracle restores things BACK to the way they should be. It is not hard to prove a miracle. What is difficult is to prove that there was ever a problem in the first place. If you deny that there was ever a problem, then of course your going to deny that a miracle was needed to restore everything back to normal.
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Old 02-26-2010, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Planet Water
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Why this "religion" destroyed (and destroys) a cultural heritage? To tell that to people about 2000 years of development ... ?
Such many examples. It now they think out the justification. 2000 thousand years ago they destroyed monuments , spoke that : people (statehood, a nationality) did not exist before their arrival.
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Old 02-26-2010, 10:28 AM
 
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Science says the same thing. The world we know is only 13,000 years old. This was the end of the ice age and the world was mostly covered with ice before that. Then there was massive Global Warming. Also there was a huge extinction 10,000 years ago that they still do not know what the cause was. Although there are a lot of theories. Science and the Bible go hand in hand and you can not understand one without the other. Science gives us Empirical Evidence that shows us the Bible is accurate and true.
You can't understand science without the Bible? That is one of the most absurd statements I have ever read in my life. Personally, I enjoy studying and reading the bible- not passages, but the whole thing. It's hilarious. But you can study science without touching or knowing a single thing about the bible stories. The bible stories are no more helpful in science than Grimm's fairy tales.
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Old 02-26-2010, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Planet Water
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You can't understand science without the Bible? That is one of the most absurd statements I have ever read in my life. Personally, I enjoy studying and reading the bible- not passages, but the whole thing. It's hilarious. But you can study science without touching or knowing a single thing about the bible stories. The bible stories are no more helpful in science than Grimm's fairy tales.
I think (and other group) That in this book the old old science is collected.
Actually. At first there was a science, then a myth, then a religion.
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Old 02-26-2010, 01:14 PM
 
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God does things in His own way, and in His own time.
This seems to be the end all be all, Swiss Army knife answer for any thing Christian theist don't have answers for.

Plane crashes, it was God's will and God does things in his own way, and in his own time.

Boat sinks, it was God's will and God does things in his own way, and in his own time.

Baby dies of cancer, it was God's will and God does things in his own way, and in his own time.

Tidal wave kills thousands, it was God's will and God does things in his own way, and in his own time.

I prefer the plane crashed because the pilots were idiots, the boat sank because it hit an iceberg, the baby died from cancer, because that is what cancer does and the damned tidal wave killed thousands because they ran to the beach instead of the hills.

For me:

It is man's will and he does stupid things in his own way all the time.
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