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Old 02-14-2010, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Golden, CO
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I suppose this is both a religious and a philosophical (moral) topic, because some religious people find it immoral if a woman celebrates her sexiness.

This post encourages women and men to stop judging women who celebrate their sexiness. This post is not meant to judge or in any way to make a statement against women who choose not to celebrate their sexiness or who choose to celebrate it in only a certain way or setting. In short, I am against judging women whether they choose to wear burkas or pioneer dresses or hot strapless evening gowns. But, specifically, this post is saying there is nothing inherently wrong or immoral about a women celebrating her sexiness.

Although a man, I consider myself a feminist. I am for women and for making opportunities for women to be who and what they want to be. I am also for men and for people of all races, and people of all sexual orientations and sexual identities. I am a humanist and want all humans to have opportunities to be who and what they want to be, provided they don't hurt others.

My morality is simple: it is not good to hurt others (sexually, physically, emotionally, mentally, socially, etc). Now, I have a few caveats to that which is not relevant in the current discussion.

I admire and value intelligent and accomplished women. I also admire beautiful and sexy women. I also admire nurturing and supportive women. I can find nothing fundamentally wrong or demeaning about being sexy and beautiful. Appreciating one or another attribute about a woman does not equate to objectifying them. When I recognize a woman as intelligent (or am even turned on by her intelligence), that does not mean I see that woman as nothing more than a brain built for the sole purpose of stimulating me. Similarly, when I recognize a woman as hot (or am even turned on by her hotness), that does not mean I see that woman as nothing more than a hot body built for the sole purpose of arousing me.

Now, I do have a big problem with those who truly objectify women as it gives them permission to invalidate the woman (her feelings, her personhood, her worth, etc). And I believe that is damaging to her.

But, I reject the notion that a woman flaunting her sexiness is by definition demeaning herself.She could be, but it does not necessarily follow that she is. It could be argued that there are women who demean themselves by flaunting their intelligence if they think they would be worthless if not for their intelligence.

The danger comes in thinking that this or that attribute is the only one of worth, and that we or others are worthless without it.

So, I'd suggest we lay off those who celebrate their sexiness. If we don't know them, we don't know whether or not they are demeaning themselves as it depends on what they think about themselves and the meaning they give to what they are doing. Furthermore, we should not think that a woman who flaunts her sexuality is demeaning other woman. It just does not follow. We need to spend more time battling ideas and beliefs than being critical just because we see a portrayl of someone being sexy.

The ideas that we need to battle are: 1) objectification (that a woman is not a person, but exists only for us), and 2) that the only characteristic of worth is sexiness, that if you don't look hot you are worthless. Both of those ideas are prevalent, especially in advertising and mass media. Those are unhealthy and often lead to problems for young girls (and boys for that matter).
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Old 02-14-2010, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Metromess
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A mite long-winded, but I can find nothing to disagree with. I too find intelligence a component of sexiness.
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Old 02-14-2010, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Space Coast
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Like I've always said, "if you've got it, flaunt it."
Of course that doesn't mean one needs to go to a business meeting with half her body popping out of her clothes.
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Old 02-14-2010, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Earth. For now.
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It is not bad if a man is sexy either.
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Old 02-14-2010, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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It is only bad if a woman who is not sexy in any capacity acts and dresses like she is. Not only is it bad but immoral to boot!




Example:

http://www.oliviamunn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/fat-bikini.jpg (broken link)
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Old 02-14-2010, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Space Coast
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Ack! I did NOT need to see that! LOL
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Old 02-15-2010, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Golden, CO
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It is not bad if a man is sexy either.
Yes, I agree. Religions in general have not seemed to take issue with that as much. I mean, one doesn't see men wearing burkas (unless they might be a suicide bomber). It has been a double standard.
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Old 02-17-2010, 06:00 AM
 
Location: Nowhere'sville
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What is 'sexy' is an individual opinion....like the pic of the big woman....some guys find that very sexy. It has always bothered me that some churches put restictions on women because they 'might cause a man to sin'....SO WHAT?! That is the man's problem!
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Old 02-17-2010, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Pawnee Nation
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................... It has always bothered me that some churches put restictions on women because they 'might cause a man to sin'..............
I really appreciate it when a woman makes me want to sin......proves I'm still alive.........and feel even MORE alive if I think I might have a shot at sinning.............just kidding.......two (or more) people finding joy in each other is never sin............
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Old 02-17-2010, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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It is only bad if a woman who is not sexy in any capacity acts and dresses like she is. Not only is it bad but immoral to boot!
You know you're opening up a can of worms when you use a phrase like "not sexy in any capacity." Something that disgusts you might be incredibly attractive to someone else.
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