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When you were typing all that out did it not seem odd to you that a private interaction between an angel of God and a Virgin was intercepted by four earthly gossip columnists? Where is your doubt? Come on, I know its in there somewhere. It has to be. A rational adult that can havigate the intricacies of 21st Century human existence cannot fervently believe in The Bible the way a 12th Century peasant might. Don't misunderstand. I am not down on church. To me there is noting more awesome than a high Episcopal Mass in a large granite cathedral with pipe organ and choir, altar personell and clergy in all their vestments. Makes you want to be a better person. Fully half the people sitting in the pews now know The Bible to be a work of men and therefore allegory. The other half... sigh... they go around spouting quotes like the above and calling it The Living Word of God or suchlike. It's unbecoming of an advanced culture. Stop it. Please.
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Jesus talking to the Pharisees said...
John 8:41-43 - "You are doing the deeds of your father." They said to Him, "We were not born of fornication; we have one Father: God." Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me. "Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word.
Some people back then did not believe the virgin birth either.
Because I know the character of God and the Son, that They do not lie - I take the virgin birth by faith.
The Trinity came about because the Holy Roman Emperor (Constantine?) needed a vehicle to unite the ever growing reach of his Kingdom. Fables and observations from the diverse cultures of Paganism, Judaism and Islamism were combined into a ... trinity that would serve as a universal (catholic) church. Boy did it ever.
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I agree.
All it took was a bit of killing and book burning to start up the Orthodox Christian Church of Constantine.
Any resemblance to the start up of Nazi Germany or other dictatorships is only chance.
John 8:41-43 - "You are doing the deeds of your father." They said to Him, "We were not born of fornication; we have one Father: God." Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me. "Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word.
Some people back then did not believe the virgin birth either.
Because I know the character of God and the Son, that They do not lie - I take the virgin birth by faith.
So did many others for many other Gods before Jesus.
Google virgin births to see the truth of my statement.
Jesus never proclaimed to be God. It was later added to the NT to explain away the miracles that were performed. Of course, not all of the miracles are true. Jesus is now and will always be a son of God as we are sons/daughters of God.
If God ever left His place in the universe, we would all cease to exist. And besides, why would He need to come to only one of His planets when He has billions. God knows and sees all so He would have no need to come here disguised as Jesus.
Thomas of the New Testament called Jesus his Lord and his God. It appears, you don't agree with Thomas.
So did many others for many other Gods before Jesus.
Google virgin births to see the truth of my statement.
Regards
DL
Very true.
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Virginity, perhaps on account of its rarity in those days among women of a marriageable age, had always a halo of sanctity cast over it by barbaric and semi-civilized tribes; and even in civilized Rome itself the Vestal Virgins were looked upon as peculiarly sacred.
Many, and l may say the most, of these professing Christians, have ideas of what this expression means in order to become effective, that are not in accord with the true meaning of this condition of the soul. They believe that all that is necessary is to believe on Jesus as their saviour by his sacrifice and death and that in so believing they have Christ in them, and that nothing else is required. They have no conception of the distinction between Jesus, the man, and Christ, the spirit of truth, or more correctly, the spirit that manifests the existence of the Divine Love in the soul. Christ is not a man in the sense that he is Jesus the son of the Father, but Christ is that part of Jesus, or rather quality that came to him after he fully received into his soul the Divine Love, and was transformed into the very Essence of the Father in His Love. Christ is thus, not a man but is the manifestation of this Love as bestowed upon Jesus, and made part of his very existence. And when men use the expression, having Christ in you, if they could correctly understand the true purport of the same, they would know that it, the expression, means only that the Divine Love of the Father is in their souls.
Have you prayed for and received Divine Love? If not, then you do not have Christ (the principal) in you.
The "scripture" that Jesus so taught is to Love God and each other. That is all that you need. Everything else is just extra.
No reason to receive Divine Love. It is not anything to receive.
Again, you reference Scripture - which never mentions anything about Divine Love. You should be referencing yourself since that's where the idea comes from.
No reason to receive Divine Love. It is not anything to receive.
Again, you reference Scripture - which never mentions anything about Divine Love. You should be referencing yourself since that's where the idea comes from.
I have read your bible and found it to be wanting. Jesus teaches me through chamneled messages. Divine Love is most definately in your bible. Try reading some more of the OT and especially the book of John in the NT. Jesus taught about the soul and the spirit world. He taught nothing of the material world.
I can reference scripture because what is being taught to me are the corrections that Jesus wants the world to know about Hiim and His teachings that were lost because of greed. The greed of wanting to be in control by the churches. Jesus hates being worshipped and wants the world to know that there is only one God and He is not HIm. It is blasphemous to worship Jesus as God. You will find that out when you reach the spirit world where your life will continue once you leave this place, never to return.
I truly pity you as you live in the material world and find the material world your heaven. Jesus' kingdom is not of this world. He is Master of the Celestial Heavens and that is where all can reside when they find the Keys. The Key is Divine Love. When you reread your bible, think in terms of your soul and the spirit world where Jesus references the many mansions and His Fathers house. You will find I do not lie. The Kingdom of Heaven is a spiritual place and has nothing to do with this world.
Look within and you will find that God is there.
No reason to receive Divine Love. It is not anything to receive.
Again, you reference Scripture - which never mentions anything about Divine Love. You should be referencing yourself since that's where the idea comes from.
To posters who say Divine Love is not important... well, they are missing the boat and will be upstream without a paddle if they continue to think this way.
The difference between Divine Love and the natural love is a whole lotta love coming into our souls... with Divine Love, there is a solid foundation of love that grows and never dies... not so with the natural love while we are still among the living, which is not firm and can come into and out of our lives depending on our whims.
Jesus is the way because he was the first to receive Divine Love... and his message is that we can, too... so I am and it rocks!
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