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Old 02-12-2012, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Golden, CO
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Whatever brain state you achieve, if you can control what you experience . . . you are dreaming or controlling the subconscious, period. Acquiring a disciplined control over what you experience in altered states is the only way to discern what is real. The only time you know you are experiencing real phenomena during an altered brain state is when you cannot consciously control or change the experience.
That has never been established as a way to know whether one is experiencing a real phenomena during an altered brain state or not.
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Old 02-12-2012, 10:05 PM
 
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That has never been established as a way to know whether one is experiencing a real phenomena during an altered brain state or not.
I've frequently been a man ahead of his time. It works consistently for me in distinguishing among experiences in altered brain states under conscious control. Neuroscience will no doubt catch up in a few years or decades.
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Old 02-13-2012, 03:35 AM
 
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A mean ahead of his time? You do like to blow your own trumpet do you not
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Old 02-13-2012, 06:21 AM
 
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The fact that he's awesome and we all suck came to him in an altered brain state and he can't shake that feeling, so you know it has to be correct.
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Old 02-13-2012, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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What if;

You wanted to explore the world.
You went to all the different areas, just to explore. From the most famous areas like New York's time square, to the most boring, like the middle of Wyoming.

(Stay with me, it gets better)

During your travels you find, quite by accident, a room. In that room is the secret to bending space and time. You try it, and it works! No, it's not an analogy, you can quite literally, change time and space.

You look around the room and there is evidence that others have been here before you. Though you don't know when. There is also no reason others could not come here later.

So, being very excited, you tell your friends.
But they don't believe such a room can exist. So they won't bother to go.
Others say it might exist, but they are too busy right now.

You search for people to tell this great discovery.
You find some have been there, but have given up telling others.
Many more have claimed to be in this room, but when when you talk to them you realize, no they haven't, and they are just saying so to get attention.

Rarely, you do find someone who has been there and knows the secret. But they keep it to themselves, perhaps from going through your same experiance.

I can't share it with my family because they don't believe in it. Those who have not been there, don't believe it exists. And you can not show a person this room by force. I can demonstrate the ability to anyone but they either pass it off a luck, coincidence or unexplainable.

What would you do?
Write everyone else off as 'un-believers' and consign them to hell.
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Old 02-13-2012, 06:54 AM
 
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I can demonstrate the ability to anyone but they either pass it off a luck, coincidence or unexplainable.

What would you do?
You have the ability to bend space and time itself, and yet you can not relocate a single person from where they are into the room to make them see it themselves. It would appear to me maybe the power is not as real or effective as you think it is.

As for what I would do?

I would take a short course in how to construct scientific experiments and correctly write scientific papers.

I would then implement what I learned by testing this new phenomenon, documenting it thoroughly, making sure to pay special attention to describing exactly, not vaguely as in this thread, exactly what I can do, under what conditions, and with what degree of accuracy and effectiveness and limitations.... and of course what steps I took to account for the possibility of observer bias and I myself being deluded (double blind testing against myself etc)...

... and then I would write a full science paper... using the approach and formats I learned in the course on how to properly write science papers.... on the subject based on everything I just did and documented and what my conclusions on the whole thing are.

I would then submit the paper to all the scientific peer reviewed journals in the world that I could find and pay special attention to the peer reviews that come back.
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