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Old 03-19-2017, 01:28 PM
 
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I'm saying your use of scripture is spot on with the teachings I remember. There are other posters here that take an almost identical approach but then have minor differences and think that is the difference between reward and punishment. How closely a group follows the Bible isn't the criteria for a it being high control. I wanted to see if you could back up what you said.

I'm not a fan of Pascal's wager. I don 't think most Christians are either as I suspect most of them believe they serve from the heart and not as a way to avoid punishment. Better in a Biblical sense to serve no God than the wrong one anyway.
PW is merely a tool to bring someone to the table. Once at the table one can expose themselves to God, his word and the holy Spirit. And ideally form a real relationship and faith.
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Old 03-19-2017, 05:00 PM
 
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If you and your teachers are right--- then you can show all a trinity in this passage -1 Corinthians 8:6--Paul explaining clearly who God is. Only the Father--Jesus taught the same-John 17:3--- but you wont believe Jesus.
Very interesting ^ above ^
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Old 03-19-2017, 05:01 PM
 
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PW is merely a tool to bring someone to the table. Once at the table one can expose themselves to God, his word and the holy Spirit. And ideally form a real relationship and faith.
So God wants you to BS people?
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Old 03-19-2017, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Canada
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If you and your teachers are right--- then you can show all a trinity in this passage-1Corinthians 8:6--Paul explaining clearly who God is. Only the Father--Jesus taught the same-John 17:3--- but you wont believe Jesus.

i am talking from the Bible. your teachers have proven links to the occult and luciferian secret societies.


the book of John starts saying Jesus is God

John 1:1, 14 (RSV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. . . . [14] And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father


John 10:30 I and the Father are one.


John 20:28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
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Old 03-19-2017, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Canada
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Colossians 1:19 For in him all the fulness of God was pleased to dwell,

In context, it is the Son Who is being described (1:13); He is eternal (1:15, 17-18), the Creator (1:16), and the unifying principle of the universe (1:17; cf. Heb 1:3): all attributes true only of God. Paul makes the notion even more explicit in the next chapter:

Colossians 2:9 For in him the whole fulness of deity dwells bodily,

2 Peter 1:1 . . . our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

St. Paul uses the same phrase in Titus 2:13 as well.

Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son he says, “Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom.”

This is a remarkable passage, in which God the Father calls His Son “God.” It is a reference to the Old Testament passage, Psalms 45:6-7.

In Hebrews 1:6, God the Father also says that all the angels should worship God the Son. Worship can only be rightly applied to God, as we know from Exodus 34:14 and Deuteronomy 8:19. Yet Jesus accepted worship of Himself on many occasions (e.g., Mt 14:33; 28:9) and stated that He should be honored equally with the Father (Jn 5:23). In Revelation 5:8, 12-13 and Colossians 2:6-7, we find that Jesus is worshiped in every way that the Bible specifically describes worship of God the Father, with all the same words used (see: Rev 4:9-11, 5:13; 7:11-12, and Rom 11:33).

Jesus is omnipotent (possesses all power):

Philippians 3:20-21 . . . the Lord Jesus Christ, [21] who will change our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power which enables him even to subject all things to himself.

He's omniscient (all-knowing):

Colossians 2:2-3 . . . Christ, [3] in whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

He's omnipresent (present everywhere):

Ephesians 1:22-23 the church, [23] which is his body, the fulness of him who fills all in all. (cf. Col 3:11)
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Old 03-20-2017, 01:02 AM
 
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So God wants you to BS people?
Where do you get that notion.

God wants people to come to Christ. The route people take is not important.
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:42 AM
 
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i am talking from the Bible. your teachers have proven links to the occult and luciferian secret societies.


the book of John starts saying Jesus is God

John 1:1, 14 (RSV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. . . . [14] And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father


John 10:30 I and the Father are one.


John 20:28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”



John 1:1--fact--no capitol G God belongs in the last line--Ho Theos( THE GOD) is in the second line---plain Theos is in the last line= god small g. No Ho Theos WAS in the last line--it was not calling the word--THE GOD.


One in purpose is correct as Jesus went on to say--the Father is greater than I.


Thomas was confused at both ends of the spectrum.


Jesus and his real teachers all teach--Jesus has a God-his Father.


the translating error at John 1:1 and giving worship to a mortal Jesus proves their error 100%-- the 2 main backings of the trinity lie.
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Old 03-20-2017, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Canada
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John 1:1 is not a translation error only your cult who are ignorant of the original bible languages say this. they are aso ignorant that the letter J appeared in the 16th century



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5_tqu_Z2-0
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Old 03-21-2017, 05:22 AM
 
Location: Nanaimo, Canada
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Where do you get that notion.

God wants people to come to Christ. The route people take is not important.
So, if they come to Christ via a complete and utter fiction that is objectively wrong in every possible way....that's 'okay'?

If they come to Christ via the teachings of (for example) the Westboro Baptist Church, that's a 'good thing'?

That makes zero logical sense. I can't fathom why God would say 'come to me through a group that promotes hatred and intolerance'.
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Old 03-21-2017, 12:53 PM
 
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John 1:1 is not a translation error only your cult who are ignorant of the original bible languages say this. they are aso ignorant that the letter J appeared in the 16th century



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5_tqu_Z2-0



As usual you don't know what you are talking about.
It is error--John 1:1 with a capitol G God in the last line. contradicts Jesus' truth
Everyone knows Their was no J in Hebrew--We don't speak Hebrew. Don't you ever use--Joshua,Jeremiah, Job, etc or your words prove you a hypocrite.
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