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Originally Posted by godofthunder9010
This is what was debatable. At no point does the New Testament say that tithing ended, nor does it say that it continued. What does it say about tithing? Absolutely nothing. All the rest I said is indeed grabbing at thin air because there is no mention of it in the NT. This means that nobody knows with any certainty and it's a matter of best guesses.
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A keen student of the Bible can tell if and when tithing ended without it being specifically mentioned.
What was the purpose of the tithe?
In the expansion of the Law given at Mount Sinai, tithing taxes on the land, the fruit trees, and the herds and flocks, were taken f
or the support of the Levites, since they had no common inheritance in the land with the other tribes. (Lev. 27:30-33; Num. 18:21-32)
The Levitical priesthood ended in 70 C.E. with the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem by the Romans. There was, therefore, no longer any need for the tithe.
"Search as you may you will not find Jesus recommending or commending tithing for his followers. When Jesus sent out his apostles and disciples to do missionary work from house to house and city to city, even unto the ends of the world, he made no provisions for their support through tithing. (Matt. 10:1-42; 28:19, 20; Luke 9:1-10; 10:1-17; Acts 1:8) Jesus came to fulfill and put an end to the Law covenant and all of its ordinances by having it nailed to his torture stake, and at the same time his poured-out blood set in operation a new covenant with superior arrangements. (Col. 2:14-16) Under such new system Christians are under new commandments that are summed up in total or complete love. They must therefore consecrate, not a tenth part, but everything they possess to God’s service and for the aid and comfort of good-will strangers among them.—Matt. 22:36-40." (
WT 51 4/15 pp. 248-249)
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I'm sure that's what your told and that you believe it because they said so. I have no evidence to the contrary so perhaps what you say is true. But the underlying thing is that giving anything at all to your church's leadership, then you are paying them. If they get nothing whatsoever then your grand claims that absolutely nobody gets paid would be accurate. Anyone getting anything at all means they are paid.
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Your words here seems to be confined to getting paid.
You are mistaken and you didn't read carefully!
This is what I wrote:
"No one gets paid a
salary and no collection is ever taken. The work is operated entirely on voluntary contributions. Over the years it has proven to be quite adequate.
Show me another organization like this."
Do you really think that pittance constitutes a salary? What are they supposed to report on their 1040 form?
I say "Prove your charge!" Do you have evidence that anyone gets a salary? No evidence, no case!
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You're nitpicking about words. Clergy is the general term for church leadership in any given religion. You can say that it is not a clergy and that's fine and well, but unless there your religion is completely disorganized and leader-less at all levels, then it has a body that fits the definition of "clergy." But fine, we'll use your preferred words if it makes you happy.
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Who's doing the nitpicking? A "clergy" among true Christians is not according to Jesus' orders:
“But YOU, do not YOU be called 'Rabbi,' for one is YOUR teacher, whereas
all YOU are brothers. Moreover, do not call anyone YOUR father on earth, for one is YOUR Father, the heavenly One. Neither be called ‘leaders,’ for YOUR Leader is one, the Christ. But the greatest one among YOU must be YOUR minister (servant). ” (Matthew 23:8-11)
EVERY one of Jehovah's Witnesses is a minister, according to Jesus' description.
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Amazing! This means that all these voluntary contributions are automagically teleported from your wallet or bank account your church. Very impressive.
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Either you don't know what "collections" are, or you're pretending! No one is asked for a contribution as is praticed in most religions, and no tithing tax is levied.
YouTube - "Pay Tithes or get SHOT!"--Creflo Dollar
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Now if you mean that no collection plate gets passed around during services, then the JW's are certainly not unique in this matter either. But if you mean that nothing whatsoever is done to collect any money - then that would either mean magic and teleportation as I already said or that nobody contributes anything ever because they have no means of doing so - since nobody actually collects contributions.
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Dance around all you want to! I said no one get a salary. That's a fact!
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In terms of non-paid leadership, no you aren't. But it's that nature of any religion that claims to be the only true church insist that you are unique. As I've already said, the LDS are a clear duplicate of everything you're insisting that makes JW's unique.
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Don't try twisting my words. I said nothing about non-paid leadership! But......
Mormons levy the tithing tax even more vigorously than most religions.
With this method in place, why would they have to make collections at their services?
"By this device hundreds of thousands of dollars annually pour into the treasuries of the Adventists and Mormons. Tithing is often the main subject, the theme that is worn threadbare by the Mormons at their annual conferences." (Ibid)
Feast your eyes on the evidence:
tithing and mormons - Google Search
They practice tithing!
"Amish practice the law of tithes as well as contribute offerings to care for their own. LDS practice the law of tithing, and additionally practices fast offerings and has instituted other welfare programs."
Not So Usual: Amish: Part 1
They also tithe.
Executive Board confronts funding troubles - The Mennonite
They tithe, too!
Is Third Tithe Still Valid Today? 3T Tobit
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You're unpaid leadership might function differently than these other examples, but at the end of the day, they're all unpaid.
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As you should clearly see, we are not talking about a paid clergy despite your effort at twisting words.
WE HAVE NO CLERGY!
No salaries here.
Yes - we are unique!
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