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Old 11-03-2016, 05:59 PM
 
Location: The backwoods of Pennsylvania ... unfortunately.
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opinions do not make truths. Facts do.
It's just too bad that you don't have any facts.

Religion, from the ground up, is all opinion.
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Old 11-04-2016, 01:01 PM
 
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It's just too bad that you don't have any facts.

Religion, from the ground up, is all opinion.

Your statement basically is calling Jesus a liar. Jesus speaks to 7 congregations in Revelation--proving he has a religion on earth--just one.
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Old 11-04-2016, 01:25 PM
 
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Well since you asked, OP: They're nuts. All the marbles fell out, etc. You get the point.
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Old 11-04-2016, 01:37 PM
 
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Your statement basically is calling Jesus a liar. Jesus speaks to 7 congregations in Revelation--proving he has a religion on earth--just one.
I'm not calling Jesus a liar ... I'm calling the authors of the New Testament a liar. Sort of.

No one was there, following Jesus around with a notepad writing down what he said. There were no digital recorders or even tape recorders back then. No video cameras of any kind, no easy way to document a speech.

NO ONE took any kind of first-hand notation of anything Jesus said.

Everything, every last word, syllable, utterance, sigh, cough, sneeze, sniffle, and fart Jesus ever gifted to the world was written decades after he was alive ... and by people who weren't there, people who never laid eyes on Jesus.

Which means most, if not every word of it, is made up. Period. Because there's no possible way the authors of the New Testament could have known what Jesus said. Even if those authors had been there in person to hear every word Jesus ever said, writing it all down decades later means there's no possible way they could have remembered all of it verbatim and gotten every word correct. In fact, knowing the distortion of memory as we age, a good portion of it is probably wrong if not a complete fabrication.

That's not the same thing as calling Jesus a liar ... because Jesus, more than likely, never said any of those things to begin with. Some anonymous author did. No one even knows who wrote the gospels ... which means you're hinging your entire belief system on some anonymous Bronze Age author you know nothing about.
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Old 11-04-2016, 03:30 PM
 
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I'm not calling Jesus a liar ... I'm calling the authors of the New Testament a liar. Sort of.
No one was there, following Jesus around with a notepad writing down what he said. There were no digital recorders or even tape recorders back then. No video cameras of any kind, no easy way to document a speech.
NO ONE took any kind of first-hand notation of anything Jesus said.
Everything, every last word, syllable, utterance, sigh, cough, sneeze, sniffle, and fart Jesus ever gifted to the world was written decades after he was alive ... and by people who weren't there, people who never laid eyes on Jesus.
Which means most, if not every word of it, is made up. Period. Because there's no possible way the authors of the New Testament could have known what Jesus said. Even if those authors had been there in person to hear every word Jesus ever said, writing it all down decades later means there's no possible way they could have remembered all of it verbatim and gotten every word correct. In fact, knowing the distortion of memory as we age, a good portion of it is probably wrong if not a complete fabrication.
That's not the same thing as calling Jesus a liar ... because Jesus, more than likely, never said any of those things to begin with. Some anonymous author did. No one even knows who wrote the gospels ... which means you're hinging your entire belief system on some anonymous Bronze Age author you know nothing about.
Classic Shirina!!
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Old 11-07-2016, 12:41 AM
 
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You didn't say anything in your post that made any sense. Just mortal false reasoning.
So still no reply to anything I wrote, just blanket dismissal. Very Telling.
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Old 11-07-2016, 05:35 AM
 
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I'm not calling Jesus a liar ... I'm calling the authors of the New Testament a liar. Sort of.

No one was there, following Jesus around with a notepad writing down what he said. There were no digital recorders or even tape recorders back then. No video cameras of any kind, no easy way to document a speech.

NO ONE took any kind of first-hand notation of anything Jesus said.

Everything, every last word, syllable, utterance, sigh, cough, sneeze, sniffle, and fart Jesus ever gifted to the world was written decades after he was alive ... and by people who weren't there, people who never laid eyes on Jesus.

Which means most, if not every word of it, is made up. Period. Because there's no possible way the authors of the New Testament could have known what Jesus said. Even if those authors had been there in person to hear every word Jesus ever said, writing it all down decades later means there's no possible way they could have remembered all of it verbatim and gotten every word correct. In fact, knowing the distortion of memory as we age, a good portion of it is probably wrong if not a complete fabrication.

That's not the same thing as calling Jesus a liar ... because Jesus, more than likely, never said any of those things to begin with. Some anonymous author did. No one even knows who wrote the gospels ... which means you're hinging your entire belief system on some anonymous Bronze Age author you know nothing about.



I know these facts--Revelation has been passing before the worlds eyes for many years--its near its conclusion. Written over 1900 years ago, proving God inspired the words in the bible.
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Old 11-07-2016, 06:40 AM
 
Location: GOVERNMENT of TRAITORS & NAZIS
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I know these facts--Revelation has been passing before the worlds eyes for many years--its near its conclusion. Written over 1900 years ago, proving God inspired the words in the bible.
How long does Revelations take to be completed?

When did it start and which event set it in motion?
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Old 11-07-2016, 06:55 AM
 
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As a group I found Christians of ALL denominations to think/act as if they're better than the rest of human kind just because they believe in a god... who authored a book... telling people how they should believe and think...but don't follow the advice in that book themselves.
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Old 11-07-2016, 09:50 AM
 
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How long does Revelations take to be completed?

When did it start and which event set it in motion?

1) no one knows
2) Rev 1:1
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