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Old 03-03-2010, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by allen antrim View Post
The lady that shot and killed her brother and later her fellow phds at a meeting because she was denied tenure had a phd-was brilliant. The other phds did not see that coming.
c'mon allen
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Old 03-03-2010, 12:32 PM
Location: missouri
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Where are we going? And really I wasn't asking for help-I did not recognize her genius and could care less, but some of those phds around her may have wish they did; but a phd is not a crystal ball. I live around phds-am married to one (I manage her money-good gig), and some of my droll phd friends are atheists who still want an atheistic religious, or I guess a spiritual high, so it is possible and they are part of the vanguard in redefining spirituality I am sure, meeting in that beautiful atrium, discussing.......well.....whatever-well...... one of them wants to be Vader and have a light saber. Be that as it may, I suppose one could see that I was pointing out the need for authority figures in confirming ones dearest wishes (probably a father fixation), and one hopes one's authority figures makes their wishes on the confinium of the real, well, make it into the real; religious people have been doing this for years; such as that Impee (sp?) guy, Hal Lindsay and such, course, now the gurus are pushing happiness and wealth rather than the return of absolute truth. One could also draw comparisons in the other systems-capitalism, socialism, Freud and Skinner, Bohr and Einstein, Hefner and that wheeled chaired guy with the other philosophy driven magazine, the death of the book, computers eliminating social contacts, cars that will run on water and the death of fossil fuels, etc (I remember the cia reporting in 67 that we would be out of oil by 79).

A paragraph! Religion is a functional system of the social (this is theory, so like all theory, even the end of religion theory or end of religion wish, probably will never be abstract enough to match reality, and if it ever does I suppose it would be just as big and hard to carry in one's head; of course, theory (and wishes) can become the "real" replacing the real and then we are in simulacra) and, therefore, is composed of communications (a lot of social theory has removed the individual person from the social system-how can an individual be a social at the same time?, and placed the individual in the social system's environment; a very high evolutionary theory!). To eliminate religion would require the elimination of all these communications-even Joe Stalin didn't have that kind of power and he was probably the most powerful man there has ever been; well maybe Mao, and see how that is working out, haha.

A paragraph! When one says that something is on the verge of death, but there is still a functioning to it then it is not dead; even atheists communicating about god and religion contribute to the religious functional system, keep it going, making possible its autopoieces, religion as a system doesn't care, a negative or positive communication is still a communication, and that makes other communications of the same code possible. A low attendance for churches in Europe, 3-6 percent, is not death, as I believe studies have shown that many more still believe in some form of a god, as is happening here.........sorry, I had to step away and communicate with my robot vacuum cleaner, he trapped himself in the guest bathroom, I think the concept of the maid is in its final hours and is sure to be dead by next Friday, my robot proves it.

ANP! One could speak of evolutionary changes in religion, however. Obviously organizational structures are modifying and some will pass away but others, new forms, will form up, such as new movements, toward home churches perhaps, a de-centering of centralization or dimished denominationalism (but this is common to all functional systems within the modern culture), new god concepts that mirror more closely individual groups rather than large societal figures. Well this has become dull, I was going to go on about the psychological aspects of the need for a religious consciousness in persons, but why bother?
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Old 03-03-2010, 02:15 PM
Location: Wherever women are
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Originally Posted by ovcatto View Post
Obviously, not very much that is germane to the topic.

Either religious adherence is on the decline in developed countries or it's not. From every survey that I can find the trend across developed countries would indicate that even in the U.S. it is indeed on the decline.
Germane? Come on, brother

The whole interview is a FARCE. And their terminology is flawed. They need to man up, put their big boy panties on and start sounding it out that "Christianity" is on the decline. Religion? No. And these are alleged academics, Doctor DPhil and the like. Why not get into specifics and not beat around the bush? Or, for the sake of reality, why not take a deeper look at the situation?

Besides, nobody seems to get it that TV stations pay their guests. And the cheque gets heavier if the dufus who shows up plays the pipe that the station wants him to pipe. Seriously, you guys have no clue that the media spinners rig every day news and opinions?

How many "experts" showed up on tv and sang eloquently of Obama and got him the vote? They sure went home with a hefty sum and bought expensive gold foiled loo paper to wipe their ar$es

I have relatives in France. My cousin married this French dude who works for Le Monde. So, they won't even send a reporter into the tightly packed Banlieues of Paris, filled with angry Algerians, North Africans and Middle Easterners (they do breed well, which means Les Francais are building newer and bigger Banlieues to contain this population or is it that they won't come out??)

Le Monde finally recruited newsmen of Algerian origin (yeah, they are way too hard to find, somebody has to be exceptional to beat the stereotype and branch out) and this man goes in to cover news and once in 5 times gets roughed up and beaten. I can't imagine what will happen to a poor Frenchman who attempts to sneak in. This, as usual, is the hotbed of Islam.

Or the shady lanes of London's East End, and growing amount of Asian & ME immigrants. I wonder if the survey champions ever survey them or are simply scared for their own safety. In case nobody reads the Guardian, which is very apparent from the posters here, the top Islamic Clerics of Britain met PM Brown and warned him of how Britain's war participation in Afghanistan is agitating and giving rise to militant activities in the dark alleys of London. So, they won't actually contain their boys and girls but go warn the prime minister, wheeeeeeeeee

But yeah, of course, "christianity" is on the wane among the stoned, polo playing, soccer loving British populace. A population that will put its tail in between its legs and hide in basements. No, it's not the blitz, some mad terrorist was setting tube trains on fire, they famously called it 7/7 attack. They even killed a poor Brazilian dude. Heck, their cops can still shoot straight

Brings me to the tons of undocumented workers from South America who have found safe haven in Britain. Actually, Menezes was running from the cops coz he was an illegal resident in London.

Now, Ov, since you say that you are into polls........ how many of the pollsters actually poll the illegal immigrants in America? Officially, the hispanic folks become the majority in 2053. Actually, they already might be. Word is that the actual number of illegal immigrants in every state in the US has hit astronomical proportions. And these are extremely religious and devout folks from Latin America (most of them catholics)

You'd be surprised to know how many priests tell me how gleeful they are at the spiked church memberships and the tithing. Suddenly churches are getting packed in America.

But I know the average American pollster does not consider these people human coz they are "illegals", they look like aliens from Mars. They polled a bunch of people who live in the South, are disgusted with their religious family members who end their conversations with "God bless", love nascar and the hot dogs while the bizarrely colourful cars run around, and enjoy sunday superbowl, right after getting new paint from home depot to remodel their homes (the beginning and the end of their world as they know it).

True polling indeed
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Old 03-03-2010, 03:21 PM
Location: Blankity-blank!
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Originally Posted by Bud235 View Post
Agree. A lot said there was so true.

A population's education level is usually negatively correlated with its level of religiousness. US must be an outlier among industrialized nations from that perspective.
Right. America is (and will be) a staunch bastion of religion.
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