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Old 03-04-2010, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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You just fail to grasp that science isn't a matter of faith.
well tell me by science absolute proof of where man came from
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Old 03-04-2010, 09:49 AM
 
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Atheism is a faith like not collecting stamps is a hobby.

I like:

Atheism is to religion as bald is to hair color.
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Old 03-04-2010, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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Faith is the ability to believe in that which you can not prove.

A person of religion has faith because it can not be proved god created man.

An atheist must have faith because they can no prove the origin of man or the universe. So they put their faith in the fact that life was one big accident. But they can not prove that so they to must have faith .

Both sides have faith, one in a god , one in a cosmic accident.
Neither can be proved.

Now the Atheists will all come here and say they have no faith. To say that means they cant prove the origins of the universe and man and then they will say they do not have faith in what they believe.
This just shows an ignorance of atheism. Atheists don't say it was just one big accident. They say that given the fact we have no empirically verified explanation for how the universe began, it is best to profess ignorance on the matter until we have an empirically verified explanation.
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Old 03-04-2010, 10:16 AM
 
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well tell me by science absolute proof of where man came from
We (atheist) don't have to prove those things which we don't claim to know. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
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Old 03-04-2010, 10:21 AM
 
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An atheist must have faith because they can no prove the origin of man or the universe. So they put their faith in the fact that life was one big accident. But they can not prove that so they to must have faith.
An atheist doesn't rely on faith, because we don't need it.

We don't put faith that life is the result of "one big accident" we don't even know if it is true, but we do have evidence that points towards a series of events which did is it fact a proven fact, no. But to date is the best possible explanation based upon the evidence.

(I wrote that for others since the OP is too thickheaded to get it.)
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Old 03-04-2010, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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That is not THE definition of faith. It is one of the definitions of faith.


Main Entry: 1faith
Pronunciation: \ˈfāth\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural faiths \ˈfāths, sometimes ˈfāthz\
Etymology: Middle English feith, from Anglo-French feid, fei, from Latin fides; akin to Latin fidere to trust more at bide
Date: 13th century
1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>

synonyms see belief

on faith : without question <took everything he said on faith>
From the definitions you used.

1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (

As i said
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Old 03-04-2010, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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An atheist doesn't rely on faith, because we don't need it.

We don't put faith that life is the result of "one big accident" we don't even know if it is true, but we do have evidence that points towards a series of events which did is it fact a proven fact, no. But to date is the best possible explanation based upon the evidence.

(I wrote that for others since the OP is too thickheaded to get it.)
So do you beleive in the evidence of science?
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Old 03-04-2010, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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We (atheist) don't have to prove those things which we don't claim to know. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
An atheist must believe that man came from somewhere.
And you could not prove what you do not know.
So belief in something you can not prove is faith
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Old 03-04-2010, 10:30 AM
 
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An atheist must believe that man came from somewhere.
And you could not prove what you do not know.
So belief in something you can not prove is faith
Not necessarily.

An atheist can say, "I don't know the origins of man. But I know man exists."

That's the difference between knowledge and faith.
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Old 03-04-2010, 10:39 AM
 
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Not necessarily.

An atheist can say, "I don't know the origins of man. But I know man exists."

That's the difference between knowledge and faith.
how does man exist?
even if you claim you do not know the origins of man does mean even if you have faith in the belief you do not know the origins of man.

If you do not know the origin of man by default there must be some faith that god did and there is some faith science did.

Claiming ignorance does not change the fact you have faith, even if you claim faith in ignorance.

I do not see why an atheist denies they have faith. Faith in things does not have to be religious.

Does an atheist have faith that the sun will rise? Facts point to it, but you can not be sure until it does, One day it will not rise.
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