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Old 03-04-2010, 02:38 PM
 
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You see what you are doing here. You are noting that the universe exists and then immediately jump to the assumption that there must have been a time when it didn't exist. The universe exists...job done. Why is it not possible that it has always existed in some shape or form?

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Old 03-04-2010, 02:43 PM
 
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You see what you are doing here. You are noting that the universe exists and then immediately jump to the assumption that there must have been a time when it didn't exist. The universe exists...job done. Why is it not possible that it has always existed in some shape or form?
Hey, I am just going with the mainstream of what your atheist scientists say. The universe is not eternal and it had a begining. Also, time came into existence as well so there was no time before time. I did not say it must - this is just the accepted science of today.I am sure it is possible but in light of science it is not probable.

Are you trusting (having faith) that it is eternal because it is possible?

Well, God is possible too.
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Old 03-04-2010, 02:45 PM
 
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You have it scarmig.
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Old 03-04-2010, 02:47 PM
 
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Well, God is possible too.
Shouldn't that be 'gods are possible too'?
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Old 03-04-2010, 02:52 PM
 
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@Scarmig - regarding the razor

Thats funny!

One thing though:

Christian Theology says God is eternal.

Science says the universe had a begining.

So comparing the two phrases God just exist and the universe just exist is not the same thing. It still does not explain the origin of the universe.
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Old 03-04-2010, 02:55 PM
 
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Shouldn't that be 'gods are possible too'?
Yes both are 'possible.'
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Old 03-04-2010, 03:07 PM
 
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Most things in life are inferences to the best explanation. For some the universe having a begining (science) is best explained by a Creator and not nothing.
The plank time is the earliest we can go back before physics no longer makes sense. We don't know the universe had a beginning, only that it expanded very rapidly.

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I do not know what the atheist propose was before the universe, most just talk about some quantum flucuation in a super condensed point that exploded or that the universe is eternal (not scientific).
How is an eternal universe not scientific? It abides the laws of physics. Of course, "I don't know" is always an acceptable answer, and that gap in knowledge does not mean God fits in it.

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Of course something can not come from nothing.
And no atheist ever claims this.

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And the atheist will say 'what about God' and the Christian will say 'He is eternal' and 'did not need a begining.'
The question isn't where did God come from, it's how did he create something from nothing?

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This is where it pretty much ends and we must trust in what seems to be the best explanation - a Creator or nothing.
Neh, that's a false dichotomy. There are a myriad of explanations that involve no supernatural entities, and even several supernatural entities.

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Now what I would like to know is why some of you atheists just can not believe in a Creator without any of the further specifications of a religion?
See Scarmig. Occam's Razor. The simplest of two competing theories is often the best. What makes sense. The force of gravity inherent to mass, or a million pixies pulling you and everything you can see down to Earth?

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So what if the universe is billions of years old or that evolution is a fact? This does nothing to explain the orgin of the universe or the orgin of life from non-life. Science has not given you anything to answer those questions - so whats up?
You're right! The age of the universe says nothing about its origins, and the diversification of life says nothing about its origins. Those are better understood by Cosmogenesis and abiogenesis theories, respectively. Evolution does not say anything about abiogenesis.

I'm a big fan of this video explaining abiogenesis.

YouTube - 3 - The Origin of Life Made Easy
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Old 03-04-2010, 03:22 PM
 
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@Konraden

Appreciate your post and will watch the video.
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Old 03-04-2010, 03:26 PM
 
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@Konraden

Appreciate your post and will watch the video.
If you're interested, Potholer does offer a "for schools" series of the same videos which removes the religious references. You can find them on his YouTube channel, just look for the "for schools" tags after the videos.
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Old 03-04-2010, 03:31 PM
 
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I will definately check it out
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