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Old 03-06-2010, 11:30 PM
 
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Is there anything beyond God, or does everything reside within the boundries of God. Can God make something exist in space that does not exist,or outside of God? If God can make anything happen then can it make something exist where nothing exist?
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Old 03-07-2010, 12:07 AM
 
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Is there anything beyond God, or does everything reside within the boundries of God.
It depends on how you define "God". Since it isn't clear what "God" is, I don't think your question can be answered. But I shall define "God" for you in very simple terms. Even if such a being exists, this may not be an accurate definition or rather it may not be specify enough, but then it depends on what someone means by the word "God". "God" is everything that exists forever. "God" can give birth to things which do not exist forever, which will eventually not die. Those things which will eventually not exist are not "God". Also if you define "God" to be all powerful, then you have separated it from things which are not all powerful. So the set of objects, which are not all powerful are not "God", even if they exist forever. And if you then define "God" as an object or objects which exist forever, are all powerful, and all knowing. Then if an object is not all knowing, i.e. it knows nothing all the way to knowing everything, but not including everything; then you can have objects which are potentially immortal and all powerful, but aren't all knowing, and therefore not "God". Or you could have objects which are immortal, are all knowing, but not all powerful, and therefore not "God", ie outside "the boundaries of God".

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Can God make something exist in space that does not exist,or outside of God?
unclear! But I shall try to answer it anyways. In this universe, a number of conservation laws hold. It is possible there are unobservable minor violations to the conservation laws in interactions. Quantum Mechanics is maybe proof of the existence of minor violations to physical conservation laws. Of course we don't know one way or the other. Also in dealing with black holes there maybe is major violation of the conservation laws in that space or none maybe exists. Leonard Susskind and Stephen Hawking had a debate on that. See black hole information paradox. Basically in order for this reality to exist, conservation laws have to hold. God can't just go making "something exist in space", but would have to do things in such a way that conforms to what we already know to be true.

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If God can make anything happen then can it make something exist where nothing exist?
As far as "make anything happen", you need to specify what space such "happen[ings]" are said to be occurring. Once you agree to a space and the corresponding laws, you are limited in what you can and cannot make happen.

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Old 03-07-2010, 04:31 AM
 
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Bingo! In short, God cannot exist. He's a logical and physical conundrum, relying entirely on conflictive faith-based arguments that crash into each other like energized molecules in The Large Hadron Collider, except we more or less control them!

Tough luck, huh?
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Old 03-07-2010, 05:20 AM
 
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Bingo! In short, God cannot exist. He's a logical and physical conundrum, relying entirely on conflictive faith-based arguments...
Except if you happen to be wrong.
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Old 03-07-2010, 05:57 AM
 
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Is there anything beyond God, or does everything reside within the boundries of God.
God created space. And time.
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Old 03-07-2010, 06:52 AM
 
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God created space. And time.
Yep. This should clear things up:


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Old 03-07-2010, 07:02 AM
 
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Yep.
The agreement of modern physics with the Bible should not be taken as evidence that the Bible is correct, however.
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Old 03-07-2010, 08:25 AM
 
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The agreement of modern physics with the Bible should not be taken as evidence that the Bible is correct, however.

There is no such agreement.
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Old 03-07-2010, 08:31 AM
 
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There is no such agreement.
Sorry, I took your reply to mean that there is.

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Old 03-07-2010, 11:49 AM
 
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In my post where I said "which will eventually not die" I meant 'which will eventually die'. The current known physical laws don't completely negate the existence of God, but only give it a rather limited role in the universe, at best. If said God were to do more than take a limited role, then the physical universe's laws would break down.
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