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Old 03-07-2010, 06:26 PM
 
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While not at all surprising, it is scary. More and more people are starting to homeschool, which in turn, creates more and more people 'educated' by those who know nothing of science. Meanwhile, the US is producing fewer and fewer STEM (science, technology, engineering, math) majors and is falling way behind other industrialized countries.
Glad to hear this, I hope the trend continues.
Come on, America, get more christian!
Those commie nations can be the smarty pants of the world, but we be lernin the right stuff to be gittin into heaven.
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Old 03-07-2010, 07:07 PM
 
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Teaching creationism is not a blatant lie. Evolution has never been proven.
You might want to start studying a subject called biology. It is the scientific discipline of studying life and the interactions of living organisms. I know the bible and churches tell you creationism is a proven truth and evolution is an unproven falsehood, but such folk aren't experts in the business of fact finding and testable evidence. The scientific method on the otherhand is a credible source for pursueing the truth. If you decide to use this method you will discover that creationism is an outdated lie and all evidence is in support of evolution.

This just seems to prove that public schooling teaches children the truth whereas homeschooling teaches children to believe in bronze age beliefs.

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Old 03-07-2010, 07:40 PM
 
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Which shows both the strength and the weakness of home schooling. The parents and the students themselves are in control of which materials they use in their curriculum.

Robinson has an interesting approach to this problem. (Homeschool Curriculum Excellence - Robinson Self-Teaching Homeschool Curriculum) He recommends that your students don't even touch Science until they have completed Calculus. This gives them the ability to think for themselves, and a serious "BS detector" system. It gives them the natural tendency to look for counter examples whenever they are presented with a theory. That way they don't blindly believe anything their textbook or teacher says. First they have to make sure it agrees with their existing understanding of how the world works.

I think I like that idea.
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Old 03-07-2010, 08:10 PM
 
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Which shows both the strength and the weakness of home schooling. The parents and the students themselves are in control of which materials they use in their curriculum.
I wouldn't call laymen selectively choosing one's own ideas of what is "fact" over what proven, unbiased science and reality itself tell us about the world and universe a "strength" when it comes to education.

Would it be a strength for a homeschooling parent to teach from a math book that agrees with their belief that a triangle has eight sides or that 2+2=5?
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Old 03-07-2010, 08:12 PM
 
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Teaching creationism is not a blatant lie. Evolution has never been proven.
You apparently did not have much in the way of science during your schooling!
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Old 03-07-2010, 08:25 PM
 
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Which shows both the strength and the weakness of home schooling. The parents and the students themselves are in control of which materials they use in their curriculum.

Robinson has an interesting approach to this problem. (Homeschool Curriculum Excellence - Robinson Self-Teaching Homeschool Curriculum) He recommends that your students don't even touch Science until they have completed Calculus. This gives them the ability to think for themselves, and a serious "BS detector" system. It gives them the natural tendency to look for counter examples whenever they are presented with a theory. That way they don't blindly believe anything their textbook or teacher says. First they have to make sure it agrees with their existing understanding of how the world works.

I think I like that idea.
Unless you teach them about "Pi"!

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This is very very awful. Ask any high school student the value of pi and they'll say, "Three point one four, and then some." Then what on earth is a value of 3 doing in the infallible Word of God? Anything else we can translate and interpret into neat fashion but numbers stand like diamonds: they're either right or they are wrong. And the value of 3 for pi is wrong. Now what?
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When the value of pi appeared to be surely a bit more than 3, panic ripped through the realm. A wide variety of excuses have been devised to rescue the infallibility of the Book of First Kings. We've hand-picked some of the lamest, and made up a few more...:
The Number Pi in the Bible.
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Old 03-07-2010, 08:54 PM
 
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Teaching creationism is not a blatant lie. Evolution has never been proven.

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Neither has Creationism.

Honestly, it's about time we realize that yes, evolution is a theory -- it's the best theory we have so far that adequately explains the diversity of life on this planet.

Likewise, Creationism is also a theory, albiet from a different perspective -religious, rather than scientific. Realistically, we can't prove Genesis true any more reliably than we can evolution. All we have is a theory, that happens to fit the facts.

Before you all take sides in a massive debate, think about what I've just said: evolution cannot be conclusively proven, because evolution occurs on such a large timescale and so slowly that no human will ever directly witness one species evolving into another. Creationism, on the other hand, cannot be proven because any living witnesses are (if we take Young-Earth Creationism into account) at the very least several thousand years dead.
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Old 03-07-2010, 08:59 PM
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It is not the home-schooled child that is being taught the lie. The public schooled child is being taught many lies. I found that out when my son had been out of school sick and I decided to read his book to him. I was absolutely appalled at the content of his book. History is being changed in the printed word. Our public school children are not being properly taught. I see the evidence of some of that ignorance on this thread.

Evolution is a theory only.

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Old 03-07-2010, 09:01 PM
 
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Neither has Creationism.

Honestly, it's about time we realize that yes, evolution is a theory -- it's the best theory we have so far that adequately explains the diversity of life on this planet.

Likewise, Creationism is also a theory, albiet from a different perspective -religious, rather than scientific. Realistically, we can't prove Genesis true any more reliably than we can evolution. All we have is a theory, that happens to fit the facts.

Before you all take sides in a massive debate, think about what I've just said: evolution cannot be conclusively proven, because evolution occurs on such a large timescale and so slowly that no human will ever directly witness one species evolving into another. Creationism, on the other hand, cannot be proven because any living witnesses are (if we take Young-Earth Creationism into account) at the very least several thousand years dead.
Wow! You really need to study about what a "theory" is!

Besides, is this fact taught?

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Mitochondrial DNA and fossil evidence indicates that modern humans originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human
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Old 03-07-2010, 09:23 PM
 
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Neither has Creationism.

Honestly, it's about time we realize that yes, evolution is a theory -- it's the best theory we have so far that adequately explains the diversity of life on this planet.

Likewise, Creationism is also a theory, albiet from a different perspective -religious, rather than scientific. Realistically, we can't prove Genesis true any more reliably than we can evolution. All we have is a theory, that happens to fit the facts.

Evolution is a natural fact as well as a scientific theory. It can, and has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Biblical creationism, on the other hand, has no leg to stand on. It has no evidence supporting it (and much evidence against it), and it cannot be established as being more valid than any other creation story from any other man made religion. Ditto in regards to the Biblical god.
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