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Old 03-09-2010, 05:06 PM
 
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This is a spin-off from the other thread. I notice a lot of Christians bring up alleged incidents of NDE's making atheists become Christians. Ok, well think about this.

Say an atheist (or even a Christian) has an NDE in which they communicate with "god" (assuming there is one) and this god tells them that Islam, Hinduism, or some religion other than Christianity is the true religion; and Christianity is false. Would you consider their "experience" legitimate?

If you say no, then it should be obvious to you why nonbelievers don't think NDE's make your beliefs any more legitimate.
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Old 03-09-2010, 05:45 PM
 
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I'm betting it would be disregarded as a deception by satan..
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Old 03-09-2010, 06:03 PM
 
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I'm betting it would be disregarded as a deception by satan..
Doesn't matter. Opening that can of worms wouldn't change the point at all.
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Old 03-09-2010, 08:24 PM
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Is there a documented instance where this has happened?
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Old 03-09-2010, 08:42 PM
 
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Is there a documented instance where this has happened?
Note the world "alleged".
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Old 03-09-2010, 08:47 PM
 
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Is there a documented instance where this has happened?
My understanding of NDEs are that the experience is extremely vivid, surreal, and highly subjective. NDEs are not all experiences of God, but tend to be trancelike states, Out of body experiences, flight, falling, intense and bright lights, etc.

Considering the same experiences expressed by those that have had NDEs can be reproduced with a centrifuge, I don't put any weight into the revelatory nature of NDEs.
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Old 03-09-2010, 10:05 PM
 
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Considering the same experiences expressed by those that have had NDEs can be reproduced with a centrifuge,....
That's interesting.... so a centrifuge can make you feel completely peaceful, hear voices, see/feel other non-materialised beings and somehow you get to understand what they have said AS WELL AS being able to see/hear what is being said in and around the area?

Actually, I think that there may be some effects produced by a centrifuge but I do not think that it produces all the experiences documented by those who have had NDEs. You probably get to experience the light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel effect as you are passing out and as all the blood rushes to/away from your brain.

Maybe a link to the effects produced by centrifuges would be useful here so that we can discuss them?
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Old 03-09-2010, 10:51 PM
 
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Space Medicine In Project Mercury, CH4-2 "The chief consequences were believed to be disorientation, hallucinations, and psychological adjustment failures, of which disorientation was the most difficult to assess"

James Whinnery - near-death experiences from gravity The Trigger of Gravity Dr. James Winnery's NDE research
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Old 03-10-2010, 08:35 AM
 
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As someone who had a NDE, I will never believe that it was just due to lack of oxygen, ect. There are reported cases where the person having the NDE "saw and heard" things that deny scientific explination. The individual I'm thinking of was unconscious with his eyes taped shut in the OR yet was able to describe everything in the OR including the Dr.'s strange posture, and habits. I find the NDEs make me less, much less inclined to believe in organized religion as that does not seem to matter. What matters is how one conducted one's life and how they treated others while on Earth. Religious affilliation does not seem to matter one bit. I do believe everyone possesses a soul, religion is unimportant other than maybe it provides some with a moral compass but many Athiests possess this as well and don't need comandments in order to be moral. In the end it's all about how we treated and helped others. Many so called Christians(& other religious types) are in for a rude awakening as claiming moral superiority while damning others is not the way to treat people. Please don't flame, this is only my experience but it has changed my life. Take care!
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Old 03-10-2010, 01:29 PM
 
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Is there a documented instance where this has happened?
There have been studies done on NDEs from various different cultures. Nearly every time, the NDE was synonymous with whatever religious beliefs one had. People who picked the "wrong god" didn't end up seeing the flames of hell.

This puts "Jesus is the only way!!!!" folks in a bad spot: Either NDEs are complete bs; there's more than one true religion, or, if we really want to get silly here, any positive NDEs by non-Jesus freaks are being deceived by Satan.

I tend to think there's no way of knowing what happens after this life, although I definitely lean towards the eternal nap theory. Nobody has ever truly been dead and came back from the other side. And when I say dead, I mean DEAD. No close calls allowed.
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