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Old 04-08-2010, 08:24 PM
 
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To form carbon , a radioactive beryllium must absorb a nucleus of helium to build carbon. Beryllium only has a mean life of .00000000000000001 seconds. In this brief span of time , a helium nucleus must find, collide with, and be absorbed by the beyllium nucleus, thus metamorphosing into "staff of life" carbon. The energies must be matched exactly, if not the universe would be hydrogen and helium and not much else.

So to say the universe is not fine tuned for life...I respectfully dissagree.
This does not mean there is a creator, but in my mind it points in that direction.

I know it isn't biology but I had to start somewhere.
Carbon formation in stars basically requires pressure and heat (like any fusion, really). That isn't too difficult to come by in space, where even carbon producing low-mass stars are on the order of 10^30 kilograms and less.
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Old 04-08-2010, 09:13 PM
 
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For things already happened, if one looks back the odds are often incredibly small.

Try this: walk from point A to point B in a room. Then, look back how you got from point A to point B -- the odds of exact happening is incredibly small.
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Old 04-08-2010, 09:39 PM
 
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The Apostle Paul built his whole theology on two men, Adam and Christ. If evolution is true, then the biblical account, and Adam, is false. It all falls apart.
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Old 04-08-2010, 10:10 PM
 
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It all falls apart.
Therein lies the problem, it falls apart.
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Old 04-08-2010, 11:28 PM
 
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Beryllium only has a mean life of .00000000000000001 seconds.
That is not so. I have a gram of beryllium metal in my house that I bought on eBay five years ago, and it is still all there. Not radioactive at all. So much for the 'fine tuned universe'. Certainly there are radioactive isotopes.

Carbon is made in stars which have run out of hydrogen to fuse into helium. The heavy elements are only produced in supernovae.
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Old 04-09-2010, 12:07 PM
 
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Actually, my Smith & Wesson revolver has a beryllium firing pin. A very tough non-corroding metal! Not sure what all the fuss is about!
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Old 04-09-2010, 12:14 PM
 
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He is referring to Beryllium-8, which is created during the triple-alpha process of stellar nucleosynthesis (The process where Helium turns into Carbon).

The actual half-life is 0.00000000000000001 seconds. Rare, but it clearly happens, considering the number of red-giants we observe. More so, our Sun (in some several billion years) will begin helium fusion as well.
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Old 04-09-2010, 12:30 PM
 
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I'll take your word for it. It's a "faith" thing, I suppose....
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Old 04-09-2010, 05:08 PM
 
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I see the world as divided up into kingdoms...a realm if you will. You have the realm of science, history, and so on. Science only examines the physical. Anything that is not "stuff" or the effect of "stuff" is out of the realm of science.

I guess (if you only think in physical terms) there is nothing that isn't "stuff".

Therefore one would have to come to the conclusion that there is no God.

But what if there is something besides "stuff"?

How would you find out?
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Old 04-09-2010, 05:23 PM
 
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I see the world as divided up into kingdoms...a realm if you will. You have the realm of science, history, and so on. Science only examines the physical. Anything that is not "stuff" or the effect of "stuff" is out of the realm of science.

I guess (if you only think in physical terms) there is nothing that isn't "stuff".

Therefore one would have to come to the conclusion that there is no God.

But what if there is something besides "stuff"?

How would you find out?
Define reality.
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