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Old 03-10-2010, 08:02 AM
 
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How do your particular religious beliefs impact your thoughts on evolution? Sometimes we read viewpoints that present the two ideas as conflicting in a very incompatible and unyielding way. And then there are viewpoints that hold that this is not necessarily so and that one does not need to necessarily conflict with the other. Do you think they can co-exist or that they are too far apart for your acceptance?
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Old 03-10-2010, 08:05 AM
 
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How do your particular religious beliefs impact your thoughts on evolution? Sometimes we read viewpoints that present the two ideas as conflicting in a very incompatible and unyielding way. And then there are viewpoints that hold that this is not necessarily so and that one does not need to necessarily conflict with the other. Do you think they can co-exist or that they are too far apart for your acceptance?
Even if evolution is complete bunkum, that does not prove that God created the world in 4004 BC.
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:01 AM
 
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Not all religions hold steadfast to the belief the world is only 6000 years old. It very clearly isn't, so churches that do preach such silliness will never get very far with the educated masses.

But lots people want and maybe even need religion, so I would imagine most churches will eventually evolve to jive better with with hard scientific facts without going away entirely.
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:24 AM
 
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No, religion and evolution do not have to be at odds with each other. Stephen J Gould wrote a decent book about this called the Rock of Ages. Also, Ian Balbour also has a pretty good book about it called When Science Meets Religion.
More recently, Michael Zimmerman of the Clergy Letter Project (a group of religious people that promote proper evolution education in schools) did a very nice write up in the Huffington Post. Michael Zimmerman, Ph.D.: Redefining The Creation/Evolution Controversy

I get very weary of people on both "sides" trying to make it an either/or situation. For many it is not, and it actually drives more people away from accepting evolution than it would otherwise.

By the way, I am not a religious person at all, but I do deal with them directly every day in the classroom teaching biology and when working with science teachers.

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Old 03-10-2010, 09:33 AM
 
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Not all religions hold steadfast to the belief the world is only 6000 years old. It very clearly isn't, so churches that do preach such silliness will never get very far with the educated masses.

But lots people want and maybe even need religion, so I would imagine most churches will eventually evolve to jive better with with hard scientific facts without going away entirely.
There has never been any conflict of science with Christianity. There has been conflict with false religions, some of which pose as Christianity, yes. Many skeptics have pretended that there is conflict with Christianity; but then a faith that demands honesty, purity and humility is very liable to be misrepresented by the dishonest, the impure and the proud.
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:45 AM
 
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There has never been any conflict of science with Christianity. There has been conflict with false religions, some of which pose as Christianity, yes. Many skeptics have pretended that there is conflict with Christianity; but then a faith that demands honesty, purity and humility is very liable to be misrepresented by the dishonest, the impure and the proud.
Christianity clearly had its odds with science, the dark ages is a good example.

My concept on a Creator and evolution is: If there is a Creator, then the events that science has shown as to the formation of life as we know it are all part of this creation, creation through evolution. Its not that hard to grasp.
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Old 03-10-2010, 10:00 AM
 
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Christianity clearly had its odds with science, the dark ages is a good example.
There was no Christianity in the Dark Ages (known to European history, anyway).

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My concept on a Creator and evolution is: If there is a Creator, then the events that science has shown as to the formation of life as we know it are all part of this creation, creation through evolution. Its not that hard to grasp.
Indeed.
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Old 03-10-2010, 10:00 AM
 
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There has never been any conflict of science with Christianity. There has been conflict with false religions, some of which pose as Christianity, yes. Many skeptics have pretended that there is conflict with Christianity; but then a faith that demands honesty, purity and humility is very liable to be misrepresented by the dishonest, the impure and the proud.
This is untrue.Christianity has always been opposed to science. It wasn't until the 21st century that the church accepted evolution and Galileo was imprisoned because he said the earth revolved around the sun(thanks to the 'science accepting' christian religion).
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Old 03-10-2010, 10:09 AM
 
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This is untrue. It wasn't until the 21st century that the church accepted evolution
Evolution was accepted from the outset by many individual believers, including some prominent scientists. Before Darwin, many had accepted that creation had taken place long before 4004 BC. No Protestant denomination has ever insisted that belief in creation in any specified way is necessary.

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and Galileo was imprisoned because he said the earth revolved around the sun(thanks to the 'science accepting' christian church).
That was no church.

To be a Christian, you must believe that Jesus died in your place for your sins, that his perfect righteousness becomes your own by that belief, and nothing less than his perfect righteousness can suffice.Moderator cut: personal insult

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Old 03-10-2010, 01:27 PM
 
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There was no Christianity in the Dark Ages (known to European history, anyway).


Indeed.
That's what I so do love about Christians and Republicans. If you disagree you aren't a "Real" one, whatever real is suppose to mean.
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