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There is a fourth possibility: That Jesus was a person who preached certain things, obtained something of a fringe following and after he died, reached mythological proportions. This is pretty common--
If He preached what the only source we have for His actual teachings say He taught, He was either blaspheming, crazy(still blaspheming), or telling the truth.
If He preached what the only source we have for His actual teachings say He taught, He was either blaspheming, crazy(still blaspheming), or telling the truth.
Right, the only source we have. The collection of writings chosen out of quite a few, of which many were kept from the final creation of the New Testament.** So, yes, the only sources we have (bound in the Bible) say he taught these things. He himself didn't write these things down, obviously, so one can't assign the onus of either being God or being a blasphemer to him. It is other people who said that he said and did all those things.
So, yet again...insisting that these are the only possibilities is flawed.
**ETA: So right there you already have *other people* deciding what was truth and what wasn't--people who weren't actually there.
Right, the only source we have. The collection of writings chosen out of quite a few, of which many were kept from the final creation of the New Testament.
Well, those extra biblical books are available to be read, if one wants to. Can you quote me something 'supposedly' taught by Jesus there that wouldn't constitute blasphemy if He wasn't who he said He was?
It's been my view, that those extra biblical books paint a skewed view of salvation and our relationship to God, not so much variance in the words of Christ. It appears you have something in mind that totally contradicts what's held in the Bible regarding JUST Christ's words. I'd love to know what you're looking at.
Well, those extra biblical books are available to be read, if one wants to. Can you quote me something 'supposedly' taught by Jesus there that wouldn't constitute blasphemy if He wasn't who he said He was?
It's been my view, that those extra biblical books paint a skewed view of salvation and our relationship to God, not so much variance in the words of Christ. It appears you have something in mind that totally contradicts what's held in the Bible regarding JUST Christ's words. I'd love to know what you're looking at.
I'm totally confused by your question. I've read it twice. I think...well, let me think. "Can you quote me something supposedly taught by Jesus there that wouldn't constitute blasphemy if He wasn't who He said He was?" Oh, yes. Most of the parables. They were stories with morals to them. They taught valuable lessons. Is that what you mean? As far as adding on the "I and my father are one," or "Nobody gets to heaven except through me" (I think that's the quote), yes, those would be blasphemy, again, if he did in fact even say them. I'm still not 100% sure if that's what you're asking but hopefully I'm explaining what you wanted to know.
No the whole Bible would be a lie because the OT prophesied about Jesus.
No, because the OT didn't prophesy about Jesus specifically, it prophesied about the messiah, and in this case Jesus wouldn't have been the messiah. That wouldn't make the OT wrong; in fact Jews are still awaiting the messiah. It would make the belief that Jesus was the messiah wrong.
I'm totally confused by your question. I've read it twice. I think...well, let me think. "Can you quote me something supposedly taught by Jesus there that wouldn't constitute blasphemy if He wasn't who He said He was?" Oh, yes. Most of the parables. They were stories with morals to them. They taught valuable lessons. Is that what you mean? As far as adding on the "I and my father are one," or "Nobody gets to heaven except through me" (I think that's the quote), yes, those would be blasphemy, again, if he did in fact even say them. I'm still not 100% sure if that's what you're asking but hopefully I'm explaining what you wanted to know.
Yes you did answer/explain what I was asking.
The implication of your series of posts, IMO, was that there was some 'missing' writing that gave us a view of Christ that allowed some kind of alternate view.
I guess what you are implying is that you don't think you can trust the Bible to tell us who Jesus was or what He said. If that's what you meant then why even talk about Jesus because apart from a few historical documents that confirm His physical existence, the Bible is all we've got.
And if you reject the Bible's Jesus, then the OP is OT and the rest of us are SOL.
Why should people who don't believe Jesus was the messiah, answer this post?
Well, because the point of the post was whether we should try to act as Jesus is said to have acted, even if we're not Christian.
I pretty much thought the post was about non-Christians. From the original post: So the question is: Even if you don't believe in Him as savior, why not live as he taught us to? Also she said the assumption is (for the sake of this argument) that Jesus wasn't the savior. So...now I'm doubly confused as to your questions, A.
I'm not sure what answer you're looking for...? This was to be opinion-only and I presented all my posts as opinion-only, and stated possibilities as just that, possibility.
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