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Old 03-12-2010, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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As to what God might have said to Adam and Eve...you will note that every one of those quotations mentioning (or implying) a specific place we call Hell comes from the New Testament. Hebrew scripture does not indicate any such place.
Quite! As I said, hell is a Christian invention.
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Old 03-12-2010, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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Quite! As I said, hell is a Christian invention.
One that Jesus would not have believed and would categorically reject.
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Old 03-12-2010, 04:41 PM
 
Location: south saudi
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Where EXACTLY in the Bible does it say that one can endure a firey hell? Not that we are surely to die, I just want an exact scripture stating that one can burn in hell.

I'm sure this is going to start a fire storm, not my intent.

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Old 03-13-2010, 05:54 AM
 
Location: East Coast U.S.
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I'm just trying to understand that if a firey hell was the ultimate punishment, I would assume that our LOVING God would have stated that to Adam and Eva in the very beginning. Not only are they sure to die, but to also burn in hell for all of eternity.
...and this "LOVING" God also grades on a curve?

Why are Adam and "Eva" going to "burn in hell for all eternity?"
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Old 03-13-2010, 06:26 AM
 
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One that Jesus would not have believed and would categorically reject.
There are 162 mentions of hell in the new testament, 70 of them by Jesus himself.

For thousands of years witchcraft was a mortal sin and hundreds of thousands of innocent young women were tortured and put to death for being a witch. After folks realized that there's no such thing as a witch the torture and killings stopped and the old facts are ignored. The scripture is still there but the church won't cost itself donations in any way.

For a thousand years infant baptism was required. The congregations began to protest and so they modified their stand to make it optional. All the scripture is still there but they won't do anything which interferes with their attendance and consequently, their income.

Slavery was tolerated and often accomodated by the church from it's beginning until a few years ago. When political changes were made in most of the world which made it illegal the church took sides with the general populus and never mentions it. All the scripture concerning slavery is still there but is ignored by preachers when they do their forty five minutes of work each week preparing a sermon for the big hour on Sunday morning.

Now it's all about hell. After preachers all over the world prepared and preached hundreds of billions of hell fire and brimstone sermons the idea of eternal flame as punishment has become a "no brainer." Anyone with one eye and half sense knows that a loving god would never subject his own creatures to such a miserable existance for their mistakes. Now the church is driving a campaign to convince everyone in the world that the millenimums of conduct was simply errors in translation. All the scripture is still there but guess what?? There are no more hell fire and brimstone sermons...by anyone.

As far as it being real flames Jesus and his gang were talking about:

"And in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am tormented in this flame."
~Luke 16:23-24~
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Old 03-13-2010, 06:30 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Thank you everyone for posting. This was a conversation I had with a friend and wanted others imputs.
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Old 03-13-2010, 06:32 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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...and this "LOVING" God also grades on a curve?

Why are Adam and "Eva" going to "burn in hell for all eternity?"

Tigetmax24, I assume you did see my correction and understand the reason for writing Eva... But, thank you for pointing that out.
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Old 03-13-2010, 07:10 AM
 
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Thank you everyone for posting. This was a conversation I had with a friend and wanted others imputs.
Well...as a courtesy tell us what you gleened from the information. Are you just another Christian with a cause?
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Old 03-13-2010, 08:10 AM
 
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Quite! As I said, hell is a Christian invention.

HELL IS A CHRISTIAN INVENTION? LOL

Oh please. It's true the word Hell does not appear in the Old Testament. Yet the concept of eternal punishment will be found there.

Daniel 12:1,2,3

At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of the nations until then. But at that time your people-EVERYONE WHOSE NAME IS FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK-WILL BE DELIVERED. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will (AWAKE) some to everlasting life, (OTHERS TO SHAME AND EVERLASTING CONTEMPT.)

Everlasting shame and contempt. IS HELL. And such a fate was spoken of long before Christians ever existed. So please, don't hang eternal punishment on the New Testament.
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Old 03-13-2010, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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HELL IS A CHRISTIAN INVENTION? LOL

Oh please. It's true the word Hell does not appear in the Old Testament. Yet the concept of eternal punishment will be found there.

Daniel 12:1,2,3

At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of the nations until then. But at that time your people-EVERYONE WHOSE NAME IS FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK-WILL BE DELIVERED. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will (AWAKE) some to everlasting life, (OTHERS TO SHAME AND EVERLASTING CONTEMPT.)

Everlasting shame and contempt. IS HELL. And such a fate was spoken of long before Christians ever existed. So please, don't hang eternal punishment on the New Testament.
You may have quoted Daniel 12:1-3 correctly, but your interpretation is, to say the least, suspect. "Shame and everlasting contempt" means exactly that; it does not infer anything like hell. You, evidently, seem to feel otherwise. But you have a strange way of reading meanings into things that nobody else here seems to do.
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