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Old 09-24-2010, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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He just has an evil face. Creepy
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Old 09-24-2010, 12:52 PM
 
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He just has an evil face. Creepy
That's a deliberately ugly picture of the Pope. You can find ugly pictures of anyone.
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Old 09-24-2010, 01:00 PM
 
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Well, since you asked, the Roman Catholic Church is the church that Jesus Christ Himself founded to speak for him in time in matters of Faith and Morals through the Magesterium.

The crime of sexual abuse is a grave sin, whether committed by a priest or a layman. The Magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church stands firm on this, as it does on many moral issues. I have explained this many times you, yet you continue to pretend it is not.

Will there ever come a time when you, who are blinded by anti-Catholic Moderator cut: orphaned and pride, will step back and see that you are on the wrong road and make a hard U-turn? Many converts who came before you have done just that.
Moderator cut: orphaned reference I simply am not Catholic. What's more, I will be honest and say that such abuse can happen in any denomination.

The problem here however, isn't as much the breathtaking extent of these crimes--heinous as they were. It was the institutional response to the crime, which amounted to thousands upon thousands of quiet bribes and the discreet moving of offending priests to other unsuspecting parishes. This signals a complete breakdown of moral authority, for the Catholic church consistently chose expediency over doing what is right. Had these kinds of clergy abuses been discovered in an Episcopal, Greek Orthodox, or Protestant church, you can bet your bottom dollar that the offender would have been stripped of his orders and handed over to the police forthwith.

And until the story broke in the national press, the Catholic church would have continued to have operated in this repulsive fashion. Only after the abuses came to life did the church own up to its own sins and actually begin to do something about it. Heck, even a stalwart such as Peggy Noonan fully blames the church for its sins--both commission and omission--rather than those who exposed its transgressions.

Christ was divine. However, as much as you'd like to believe otherwise, churches are institutions established, organized and run by men. That makes them fallible, the Vatican included. It is only when an institution begins to believe in its own infallibility does it begin to lose its moral compass, something Catholicism must do its level best to regain.

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Old 09-24-2010, 01:17 PM
 
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That information surfaced when he was first appointed pope, the Catholic hiearichy doesn't give a damn, just business as usual.
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Old 09-24-2010, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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Well, since you asked, the Roman Catholic Church is the church that Jesus Christ Himself founded to speak for him in time in matters of Faith and Morals through the Magesterium.

The crime of sexual abuse is a grave sin, whether committed by a priest or a layman. The Magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church stands firm on this, as it does on many moral issues. I have explained this many times you, yet you continue to pretend it is not.

Will there ever come a time when you, who are blinded by anti-Catholic Moderator cut: edit and pride, will step back and see that you are on the wrong road and make a hard U-turn? Many converts who came before you have done just that.

I think you're a little confused:

John 16:13 But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.

According to Jesus...the Holy Spirit is the one he picked.
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Old 09-25-2010, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Western Cary, NC
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That information surfaced when he was first appointed pope, the Catholic hiearichy doesn't give a damn, just business as usual.
You are right, and the only way to make them change is to have a negative influence on their business model, and their financial bottom line. This is what the press is doing now by exposing their crimes, and abusive history. It is long over due.
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Old 09-25-2010, 02:56 PM
 
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I think you're a little confused:

John 16:13 But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.

According to Jesus...the Holy Spirit is the one he picked.
I think you are a little confused. As described in Matthew, Jesus Christ picked Peter upon which to found His church.

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Old 09-25-2010, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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The Catholic church is fading fast in America..

23.9% of the US adult population (or 53,775,000) identifies itself as Catholic. The survey notes that this percentage is roughly the same as it was in 1972. On face value, this does not look too bad compared with Protestant losses as noted.

In fact, massive Catholic losses have been hidden by the large number of Catholic immigrants. Of the present 23.9% of adults who call themselves Catholic, about 23% of that number (or 12,368,250) are immigrants, mostly Hispanic.

Massive losses of native-born Catholics have not only been significant but in fact staggering, so much so, that those who conducted the survey wrote in their analysis, 'Catholicism has lost more people to other religions or to no religion at all than any other single religious group.'

US Catholics leaving the Church in droves: what can be done?
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Old 09-26-2010, 04:11 AM
 
Location: New York
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Default more ideological warfare

The anti-Pope androids have been around the Anglo world for nearly 500 years since Henry VIII and Cromwell were able to plunder Church lands from the people and murder thousands of the clergy. When doing the double land grab/murder trick you need massive propaganda to cover your tracks. These 16th century crimes are the origin for the anti-Catholic bigotry in the Anglo world and this continues to drive the war against us. What story from the 1970's or 1980's is going to be recycled today as their ideological subversion?


The most fervent have swallowed the anti-Christian propaganda whole and now do the bidding of their neo-pagan masters in government without even realizing how much they are under control. Since the Catholic Church is the "bad cop" on earth that keeps the moral law; their government has learned to play the "good cop" that sells immorality as freedom. Since people become addicted to their sins (drugs, sex, pride etc) they learn to serve the master that issues the immoral license. This is why the masses unwittingly attack us and our Church that stands up for morality; they do this on behalf of the Church's enemies in neo-pagan secular institutions.

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Old 09-26-2010, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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The anti-Pope androids have been around the Anglo world for nearly 500 years since Henry VIII and Cromwell were able to plunder Church lands from the people and murder thousands of the clergy. When doing the double land grab/murder trick you need massive propaganda to cover your tracks. These 16th century crimes are the origin for the anti-Catholic bigotry in the Anglo world and this continues to drive the war against us. What story from the 1970's or 1980's is going to be recycled today as their ideological subversion?


The most fervent have swallowed the anti-Christian propaganda whole and now do the bidding of their neo-pagan masters in government without even realizing how much they are under control. Since the Catholic Church is the "bad cop" on earth that keeps the moral law; their government has learned to play the "good cop" that sells immorality as freedom. Since people become addicted to their sins (drugs, sex, pride etc) they learn to serve the master that issues the immoral license. This is why the masses unwittingly attack us and our Church that stands up for morality; they do this on behalf of the Church's enemies in neo-pagan secular institutions.
Moderator cut: deleted ...I was born and raised in a catholic family, educated in Catholic schools. My family is still predominately Catholic. You may prefer to blind yourself to the immoral evil that has been, and continues to go on in the Catholic church, but I would prefer to see the church clean up it's act rather than defend it's misdeeds and coverups...

I believe the androids here are those that blindly defend the church regardless of how decadent it becomes, not those of us that recognize that there are some major problems with Catholicism.

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