Is there a single moral issue that Christians hold dear that could not be arrived at through reason? (Buddhism, hell)

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by ovcatto

Actually, it is quite easy. What is morality other than a code of conduct and as social animals such a code is required so that we can function in a highly cooperative society. For every social rule (morality) we can identify how that rule advances the functioning of the greater society.

I believe that it is your turn.

Why should it be that functioning in a highly cooperative society should be the goal for a competitive species? Why not an uncooperative society? What does it matter? Why is ANY specific outcome of cooperation or failure to cooperate to be valued for a species with no reason to even exist or accomplish ANY outcomes?

[Oakback]

Originally Posted by ovcatto

Just curious.

the sacrafice of the innocent for the guilty

[tigetmax24]

Originally Posted by ovcatto

Actually, it is quite easy. What is morality other than a code of conduct and as social animals such a code is required so that we can function in a highly cooperative society. For every social rule (morality) we can identify how that rule advances the functioning of the greater society.

I believe that it is your turn.

Who's code?

...back to you.

[ovcatto]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

Why should it be that functioning in a highly cooperative society should be the goal for a competitive species?

I suppose it depends if you view humans as simply competitive or cooperative. I prefer to see humans as being both incredibly cooperative and competitive.

Why not an uncooperative society?

How long do you think an uncooperative society of humans would survive?

Why is ANY specific outcome of cooperation or failure to cooperate to be valued for a species with no reason to even exist or accomplish ANY outcomes?

Your view not mine.

[coosjoaquin]

Their hatred of birth-control.

[ovcatto]

Originally Posted by tigetmax24

Who's code?

...back to you.

I would think that my response was sufficiently self-explanatory and sufficient enough to satisfy the conditions of your request.

tigetmax24

I will be quite happy to answer...just as soon as you explain how it would be possible to have any basis for any morality in the absence of a transcendent eternal creator.

[ovcatto]

Originally Posted by Oakback

the sacrafice of the innocent for the guilty

Is this in reference to collateral damage, the death penalty or abortion?

[tigetmax24]

Originally Posted by ovcatto

I would think that my response was sufficiently self-explanatory and sufficient enough to satisfy the conditions of your request.

In your "response" you simply pointed out the obvious need for a code. I do certainly agree that society needs a moral code. Christianity provides the basis for such a code.

Again, what would be the basis for your required code? In the absence of a transcendent and eternal being, upon what foundation would you establish a moral code for society?

...back to you.

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by ovcatto

I suppose it depends if you view humans as simply competitive or cooperative. I prefer to see humans as being both incredibly cooperative and competitive.

So what? If there is no purpose for them to exist . . . they are accidents. If accidents are incredibly cooperative and competitive or the opposite . . . what does it matter?

How long do you think an uncooperative society of humans would survive?

Why should existence or non-existence matter for accidents in the grand scheme of things?

Your view not mine.

Does this mean you believe there IS a purpose for our existence?

[Oakback]

Originally Posted by ovcatto

Is this in reference to collateral damage, the death penalty or abortion?

neither.
it's about Love