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Old 03-15-2010, 05:14 PM
 
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Actually, it is quite easy. What is morality other than a code of conduct and as social animals such a code is required so that we can function in a highly cooperative society. For every social rule (morality) we can identify how that rule advances the functioning of the greater society.

I believe that it is your turn.
Why should it be that functioning in a highly cooperative society should be the goal for a competitive species? Why not an uncooperative society? What does it matter? Why is ANY specific outcome of cooperation or failure to cooperate to be valued for a species with no reason to even exist or accomplish ANY outcomes?
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Old 03-15-2010, 05:45 PM
 
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Just curious.
the sacrafice of the innocent for the guilty
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Old 03-15-2010, 05:48 PM
 
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Actually, it is quite easy. What is morality other than a code of conduct and as social animals such a code is required so that we can function in a highly cooperative society. For every social rule (morality) we can identify how that rule advances the functioning of the greater society.

I believe that it is your turn.
Who's code?

...back to you.
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Old 03-15-2010, 05:49 PM
 
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Why should it be that functioning in a highly cooperative society should be the goal for a competitive species?
I suppose it depends if you view humans as simply competitive or cooperative. I prefer to see humans as being both incredibly cooperative and competitive.

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Why not an uncooperative society?
How long do you think an uncooperative society of humans would survive?

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Why is ANY specific outcome of cooperation or failure to cooperate to be valued for a species with no reason to even exist or accomplish ANY outcomes?
Your view not mine.
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Old 03-15-2010, 06:01 PM
 
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Their hatred of birth-control.
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Old 03-15-2010, 06:33 PM
 
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Who's code?

...back to you.
I would think that my response was sufficiently self-explanatory and sufficient enough to satisfy the conditions of your request.



tigetmax24

I will be quite happy to answer...just as soon as you explain how it would be possible to have any basis for any morality in the absence of a transcendent eternal creator.
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Old 03-15-2010, 06:35 PM
 
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the sacrafice of the innocent for the guilty
Is this in reference to collateral damage, the death penalty or abortion?
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Old 03-15-2010, 06:46 PM
 
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I would think that my response was sufficiently self-explanatory and sufficient enough to satisfy the conditions of your request.
In your "response" you simply pointed out the obvious need for a code. I do certainly agree that society needs a moral code. Christianity provides the basis for such a code.

Again, what would be the basis for your required code? In the absence of a transcendent and eternal being, upon what foundation would you establish a moral code for society?

...back to you.
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Old 03-15-2010, 07:34 PM
 
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I suppose it depends if you view humans as simply competitive or cooperative. I prefer to see humans as being both incredibly cooperative and competitive.
So what? If there is no purpose for them to exist . . . they are accidents. If accidents are incredibly cooperative and competitive or the opposite . . . what does it matter?
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How long do you think an uncooperative society of humans would survive?
Why should existence or non-existence matter for accidents in the grand scheme of things?
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Why is ANY specific outcome of cooperation or failure to cooperate to be valued for a species with no reason to even exist or accomplish ANY outcomes?
Your view not mine.
Does this mean you believe there IS a purpose for our existence?
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Old 03-15-2010, 07:58 PM
 
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Is this in reference to collateral damage, the death penalty or abortion?
neither.
it's about Love
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