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Old 03-15-2010, 07:03 AM
 
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What presumption? Common sense is just common sense it is seeing something for what it is.
Common sense is just drawing up generalized rules from our everyday experiences. How many creations of the universe have you experienced recently?
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Old 03-15-2010, 07:21 AM
 
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Common sense is just drawing up generalized rules from our everyday experiences. How many creations of the universe have you experienced recently?
That's not what the religious "common sense" is. The religious common sense is: when you go to the same church for all those years meet the same old people, it seems everyone agrees on the same religious matter.
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Old 03-15-2010, 07:40 AM
 
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That's not what the religious "common sense" is. The religious common sense is: when you go to the same church for all those years meet the same old people, it seems everyone agrees on the same religious matter.
If everybody is thinking the same thing, nobody is thinking.
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Old 03-15-2010, 08:11 AM
 
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Default Oh. I get it. Since there's been no response....

Saaayyyyy..... Whayyyyyttttt a danged minuuuuutttttt... This wasn't just another "bait and run" thread was it?

A bunch'a guys over on the Christianity sub-forum goading someone to come on over here and try to get the atheists' goat?

You know, like those kids back when we (and our minds...) were about 8 years old, and somebody had to go up and ring grouchy old Mr. Feldensteins' doorbell, and then run off? Hah hah hah?

Like that?
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Old 03-15-2010, 08:57 AM
 
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Hi All

First time post. I'm open minded and my philosophy is "above all else, common sense should prevail", I am on a personal journey to find answers. GodPhysicists tell us that energy cannot be created only transferred. So let's start at the beginning...How can something come from nothing?
You are right something can't come from nothing,but everything can and does comes from God as it is all laid out in the beginning book of Genesis.
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Old 03-15-2010, 09:19 AM
 
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wilkes,
I noticed you altered Graham222 quote.
And inserted the word God in front of Physicists.

Why on earth would you do such a thing?

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Old 03-15-2010, 09:38 AM
 
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wilkes,
I noticed you altered Graham222 quote.
And inserted the word God in front of Physicists.

Why on earth would you do such a thing?
That was a an error ,typo sorry Graham,thank you for pointing that out Aeroman.
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Old 03-15-2010, 11:17 AM
 
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Also wilkes, since you're willingly posting in the R&P sub-forum, where we openly debate each others' opinions, I assume you don't mind if we ask you a few questions about your assumptions?

I'd ask you first-off, why it is that Christian believers can't ever answer the question that naturally and logically follows their oft-repeated question about "How can something come from nothing?" As in The Big Bang, or other hypothetical beginning scenarios (science has not yet completely settled on any one of them, but remains open-minded, as always).

But when asked how their God (and/or his ancestors) has apparently existed forever, they are either speechless, or they come roaring back with a deflective and insulting ad hominem, or they say "Just because He's God, and always was!".

So, they vacillate 180˚ between requiring from science a completely logical answer, and their own illogical, supernatural, mystical "It just is!" answer. Frankly, I didn't understand this perspective for many years, but now I do.

But I'm also always curious to respectfully hear and discuss the Christian perspective. Of course, I'm also looking for a more reasoned answer than that as well. Perhaps you can bring us that one?
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Old 03-15-2010, 11:42 AM
 
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.....and the silence was deafening!!
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Old 03-15-2010, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Hi All

First time post. I'm open minded and my philosophy is "above all else, common sense should prevail", I am on a personal journey to find answers. Physicists tell us that energy cannot be created only transferred. So let's start at the beginning...How can something come from nothing?
I heard an interesting rabbinic story which says that prior to creation, God was all that existed.
And that God needed to withdraw, in order to allow for His "creation"
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